Aayla
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Post by Aayla on Jun 16, 2005 4:53:09 GMT -5
yeah i agree its just repeating old things maybe if they had a clone of darth maul it would have been a little bit better imagine luke skywalker vs darth maul now that woul be pretty cool in my opinion ;D
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Post by Seda Navilli on Jun 16, 2005 5:10:30 GMT -5
I wonder who would win, I never saw Luke as being much of a swordsman, despite his strength in the force
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Post by tanzanlinnear on Jun 16, 2005 6:07:50 GMT -5
I don't think there's any question there, Seda, Darth Maul would definitely win As you say, Luke's not much of a swordsman (although I do appreciate he was self-taught in a short space of time with no sparring partner) I think Darth Maul against Anakin would be a much more interesting duel
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Post by Seda Navilli on Jun 16, 2005 8:46:43 GMT -5
general Grievous versus Darth Maul would be interesting, grievous was good enough to beat Mace Windu, and id sure like to see him fight Maul okay i think this thread has gone a bit too far off track sorry
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Aayla
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Post by Aayla on Jun 16, 2005 11:17:46 GMT -5
well what about grevious vs yoda
sorry im not helping hehe right where were we before i started talking about different fights lol
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Jun 16, 2005 18:11:28 GMT -5
But Ani, I liked the Death Star of the Month Club! *stomps foot* - note heavy sarcasm ;D ;D ;D Trilogy) Ha, ha!! But that brings up one loose end that I was glad they handled in ATOC, when you found out that the Death Star was a long term goal of the Emperor. ROTJ was weakened by having the same, old, blow-up-the-Death Star goal. Having it show up in Ep II and Ep III gave Palpatine's Death Star fixation more continuity. It strengthened the whole 6-movie story. It just took them 20 years to get the Death Star to WORK. After it got blown up, it wasn't that hard to build another weapon from the plans for ROTJ. The Death Star being completed was the trigger that made Bail Organa send away for Obi-Wan. Personally, I think that Bail Organa sent for Obi-Wan to train LEIA, but that was side-tracked when Luke got pulled into it all. And Bail obviously didn't tell Leia what Obi-Wan was supposed to do. I don't think Obi-Wan thought of Leia as a serious "hope" because she was a politician. And we know how he feels about politicians. But he would have trained her if Bail had asked.
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Aayla
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Post by Aayla on Jun 16, 2005 18:43:52 GMT -5
yes i noticed that in ep 2 and 3 the plans for he deathstar and the outline framework of the deathstar i think bail sent for obiwan yes to train leia but to train her to protect the people of alderann and to train luke if anything was to happen to obiwan
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Post by lazlototh on Jun 19, 2005 13:57:00 GMT -5
Just another small point - Lucas had the Death Star originally slated only for the end of his story which would have been ROTJ - but movie studio necessity had him throw it in ANH since without prior experience this may have been his only film... The second Death Star would have been the ONLY Death Star if Lucas knew he could make a trilogy in stead of the one film (potentially) in 76-77
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Post by kivaanzion on Jun 19, 2005 21:15:37 GMT -5
That's the real reason. I like to think of a story-line reason like this: The first Death Star was the prototype for an entire FLEET of Death Stars! The first (ANH) Death Star took 19 years to complete. But years before it blew up Alderaan, work on the second Death Star had begun. By the time of ROTJ, it looked to be about 2/3rds completed. After the first Death Star was destroyed, the Imperial engineers correctly gave the super-laser priority (which was the last weapon to be tested on the ANH Death Star). One Death Star was powerful enough, could you imagine the might of the Empire with twenty Death Stars? The Empire would be completely unopposed! I'm sure Palpatine would have no reservations about blowing up every single planet that may pose the slightest threat to the Empire. In fact I believe he would not stop until there were no worlds left except Coruscant.
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Post by Seda Navilli on Jun 20, 2005 4:09:04 GMT -5
They started work on Death Star II before the first one got destroyed? I wasn't aware of that.
And if i recall, the 2nd Death Star was apparently twice the size of the original one. Were they just gonna keep making them bigger and bigger? Death Star... Death Moon... Death Planet.... DEATH GALAXY! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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Post by tanzanlinnear on Jun 20, 2005 5:09:40 GMT -5
Ki Vaan, I like your theory, it would certainly make sense. To be honest, it was bugging me how the movies have now suggested that it took almost 20 years to build the Death Star, but the second was build practically overnight
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Post by Rünya I’shiego on Jun 20, 2005 6:28:34 GMT -5
Ki Vaan, I like your theory, it would certainly make sense. To be honest, it was bugging me how the movies have now suggested that it took almost 20 years to build the Death Star, but the second was build practically overnight I didn't think it was that big a deal. I mean, they had the remains of the first one to work with. Plus after having built it once they already knew the answers to all the little mini-problems that crop up in projects (even small projects like my college assignments) and likely slowed down the first construction. You know, all those little quirks and unforseen problems? Plus about two-thirds of the darn thing wasn't actually rebuilt. Just the outter frame work laid down. Also, I can imagine that after having worked and obsessed on a thing for twenty years to get it and promptly have it taken away probably really made the Emperor mad (understatment of the year or what?). I expect that after having achieved his dreams just to have them snuffed out by a lucky shot from a farmboy proabably made him push all the harder to have the second one constructed quicker. ('cause, you know, ultimate Bad Guys can do stuff like that. ;D) Oh yeah, and Solinbeb Newau? I'm sorry I didn't get your joke. ::sheepish grin:: I'm slow. And on a side note, I don't think Anakin vs Darth Maul would be that great of a fight. I expect Anakin would end it pretty quickly. He's much better than Maul. Now, Grieveous vs Maul . . . that could be intresting. IMHO.
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Post by tanzanlinnear on Jun 20, 2005 7:06:08 GMT -5
I mean, they had the remains of the first one to work with. What remains? The thing was completely destroyed I agree with your point that once you know how to complete a project, you can complete it much quicker, but I still can't believe that something that took 20 years to build could be made (even only partially) in a few years just because they knew what they were doing
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Post by Clone Commando on Jun 20, 2005 8:28:54 GMT -5
that's true but we don't really know that they started on it right away, I think first sidious might have had to gain some more control getting the armies dealt with. who knows how long that could take. But I seriously don't think they could build a new one that was almost done in a couple of years.
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Post by Jauhzmynn Enz on Jun 20, 2005 9:34:27 GMT -5
Humm Death star construction. I think theyhad the deathstars being built in a stagered manner. I don't know if the one we see in Empire Strikes Back is the very first one, it could be the second, since Palpatine has had the DS plans since the battle of geognosis. I feel it's not the first one. Now how the next Deathstar we see. It's possible this one was being built a few years after the ESB version's construction started. Hence my staggered construction theory. It gives them time to see the flaws before it's fully built, start on the next one, work those flaws out early.
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