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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Oct 15, 2005 2:03:41 GMT -5
I thought about that as wll and my thoughts on that are that when his wife died he thought all was lost. He wasn't looking for a shild else he would have been those many years. Also, at the time Leia had no clue about the force in her family and Luke had barley begun in his training. Obi-wan had the stronger force sense so thus it would have masked the power. Not to mention that Vader had the grudge to obi-wan for taking his legs and other arm.
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Oct 16, 2005 22:31:23 GMT -5
Palpatine had a problem sensing Luke in ROTJ. I wonder if the same thing was working for Luke and Leia with Vader at first? He wouldn't see either of them unless they were trained.
And Palpatine was Supreme Chancellor for YEARS and the whole Jedi Council, right next door, couldn't figure out he was a Sith. I think that same blind-sidedness might work in favor of light-side forces as well as against them.
Ben was marked as soon as they arrived on the Death Star. He had to know Vader was there and this was going to be his last fight. And he'd expect to find Vader in a place like the Death Star. Vader wouldn't expect Obi-Wan, but he picked up the scent right away.
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Oct 17, 2005 12:23:52 GMT -5
true. Thus why he didn't sense the his children. Then again.. Lei was on the Imperial senete for a long time and grew up with the empire and being around them. She wasn't sensed then by vader or palpatine either.
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Post by Andle Di-Ranos on Oct 17, 2005 15:49:36 GMT -5
Well if vader never knew that he had children it would probably blind him even more untill luke destroyed the deathstar by using the force. I think that turned on vaders senses and as he ever pursued him it kept leading him closer and closer to the truth until the emperor contacted him and mentioned that he had no dougt it was offspring of anakin.
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Oct 20, 2005 14:32:32 GMT -5
Well if you remember in ANH vader said that the force is strong with this one before Han came to the rescue. Thus Vader knew then. A good book to read between some of theses is Shadow's of the Empire. It's really good and fills in on some spots.
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Oct 20, 2005 22:36:28 GMT -5
I don't think that Vader knew that the X-Wing pilot who blew up the Death Star was his son at the time. I think that realization came later. He likely just suspected an escaped Jedi or apprentice.
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Oct 21, 2005 17:07:50 GMT -5
IS there something in the books or anywhere where is says how he found out it was his son? I would assume spies that were planted in the rebels told him. I mean I know what palpatine said in ESB but i was curious.
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Post by Seda Navilli on Oct 21, 2005 20:59:55 GMT -5
I doubt that Vader had any spies in the Rebellion that would have known about luke... cause then he wouldnt have had such a hard time finding the rebel base I always thought he just knew... the same way that Luke knew Leia was his sister in RotJ, through the force.
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Oct 22, 2005 20:45:08 GMT -5
Possible.. but it still makes me wonder why it took that moment for him to see that.
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Post by kivaanzion on Oct 22, 2005 21:13:41 GMT -5
What I would like to know is how Vader knew Luke's name before the Emperor tells him in ESB.
Remember at the beginning of ESB when Piett discovers the Rebel base on Hoth, Vader says "That's it! The Rebels are there, and I'm sure Skywalker is with them!".
He knew Luke by name. This gives a little bit of credit to the spy theory to me. Or at the very least, that word had begun to spread through the universe about the brave Rebel pilot who destroyed the Death Star and that his name was Skywalker.
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Oct 23, 2005 0:31:29 GMT -5
I am now thinking that may be true. Someone let slip Skywalkers name and thus Vader heard about it. He had various spies all over the galaxy for information.
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Post by Solinbeb Newau on Oct 23, 2005 8:49:18 GMT -5
What I would like to know is how Vader knew Luke's name before the Emperor tells him in ESB. Remember at the beginning of ESB when Piett discovers the Rebel base on Hoth, Vader says "That's it! The Rebels are there, and I'm sure Skywalker is with them!". He knew Luke by name. This gives a little bit of credit to the spy theory to me. Or at the very least, that word had begun to spread through the universe about the brave Rebel pilot who destroyed the Death Star and that his name was Skywalker. Maybe he was eavesdropping on rebel communications during the battle of Yavin?
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Oct 23, 2005 11:50:53 GMT -5
Oh, I think the Imperials have spies! There was a gap in time from a few months to a few years between ANH and TESB, so there was plenty of time for them to figure out the who Red Five was. Vader was there, so even if he wasn't listening in on Rebel communications (he was sort of busy at the time to be doing that) he does know it was a single X-Wing pilot who did it.
Since Vader had already "killed" Obi-Wan Kenobi and then he found himself chasing an X-Wing pilot who was strong in the Force, I think he'd be smart enough to conclude that Obi-Wan had a new apprentice. And Obi-Wan had arrived on a ship that came from Tatooine. All he had to do was follow the stormtroopers' path while they were searching for the droids to find out that they'd destroyed the Lars farm and they'd been raising Shmi's grandson.
Hmmmmm, now that I think about it, if the stormtroopers hadn't killed the Larses, Vader might have done it later.
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Post by kivaanzion on Oct 23, 2005 19:03:47 GMT -5
Maybe he was eavesdropping on rebel communications during the battle of Yavin? It's possible, but did anyone call him Skywalker over the radio during the battle?
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Post by Andle Di-Ranos on Oct 23, 2005 21:00:20 GMT -5
Question: If vader knew the last name to be skywalker wouldn't it have given a clue that it was his son(concdering he was suprised when the emperor contacted him). I don't think the same last names are as common in the starwars world as ours either.
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