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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Jan 27, 2006 9:05:24 GMT -5
That would have been interesting.....
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Post by jayden on Jan 27, 2006 11:32:26 GMT -5
with mr. lucas not finishing the series he is leaving it open to millions of possibilities. that may be what he wants the star wars universe to go on forever instead of dying out at episode 9. clouded the future is.
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Post by Ja'Dae Bahnkuu on Jan 27, 2006 15:18:48 GMT -5
Well If everyone else is going to throw in their two sense I may as well un load my buck fifty. I don't believe Luke has ruined the Jedi Order. There was no Jedi Order. Its been gone for nearly 20. I say thats long enough to consider it gone. When he does start the new Jedi Order you have to understand all the EU to really get why hes capable now to start it. 7 years later when he begins the New Jedi Order Luke has far exceded any possible expectaitions of even the older order. In Dark Empire he uses the force to guide down a falling star destroyer. The only other concievable character who could have done that was Yoda and about 500 years ago. Luke figured out the one lesson that Yoda taught him and took it to the extreme..."Size matters not!" No other jedi not even the all powerfull exar kun could have accomplished that. Now that I have proved his Prowess, Lets get on to why hes not only not ruined the jedi but made it better. The profecy said that Anikan would bring the force into balance. He did. Anikan destroyed both the ultimate good and evil in the universe. In the end all that was left was the half and half child Luke. Luke has constantly flirted with both sides of the force. The true balance is to be understanding of both sides of the force and use them. Thats the balance. its like a republican decocrat thing. The truth is the power lies in the middle. So to be out with the old expectations and idealizations and on to the true balance is the correct path.
Katarn and Luke are constantly using darkside powers. Heck even in Jedi he uses the same choke technique as vader on the Gamorian Guards. The New Jedi are going to be trained by the most powerful and natural jedi in the Universe. I think in that alone the New Jedi are going to be in good hands; reguardless if the old ways are lost.
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Post by jedi12 on Jan 27, 2006 23:59:26 GMT -5
I agree luke has made the jedi alot better. not to say that the old jedi were no good he just brought it to a whole new place
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Jan 29, 2006 14:24:00 GMT -5
A whole new time as well. it made room for a newer generation. To let them have familys. I think that was one of the best things.
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Post by Aston Jor-Cello on Jan 30, 2006 14:44:17 GMT -5
Yea and don't forget allowing marriages, and attachments. Good call, Luke!
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Post by tailonkae on Jan 30, 2006 14:50:46 GMT -5
I dont think it is fair to say Luke ruined the NJO..he simply adjusted the Jedi ways to the new Jedi and in so attachments and marriages only brought the jedi more closer together and in so allowed them to convey peace through their actions....alas Luke and Mara's marriage brought the galaxy together...
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Post by Starkindler (The Naked Jedi) on Apr 11, 2006 21:44:41 GMT -5
**WARNING** POSSIBLE DARK NEST SPOILER !!
HMMmm. Well the new series of books "The Dark Nest" trilogy answers the question I think. Luke is forced to confront the fact that the NJO is foundering in individuality. Each one thinks his/her view is the way to go....Ethics of Force use are becoming "Situational" and judgement questionable. The New REpublic Government wants the Jedi as tools...and some on the new Jedi COuncil agree.....the NJO is nearly torn apart by internal strife. Luke realizs he's been TOO lenient, not vigilant enough about the Dark Side, not setting a good enough example. He assumes SOLE control over the Jedi Order, lays down a few ideals, and tells everyone to get in line or leave the order! We don't really know if it works or not since it happens at the end of the trilogy.....but it seems to be working since Luke's plan is to unite the other Jedi in opposition to his takeover thus ending the internal strife and getting their attention focused on what needs to be done to fix the NJO. Jacen Solo is definitely going to be Luke's successor IMHO (Unless Ben snaps out of his Force Fear) maybe even then..........
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Jul 30, 2006 4:15:43 GMT -5
Well now.. reading them.. Ben has at least came out and now we go into a whole new twist....
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Post by Jan-Qui Coran on Jul 30, 2006 17:20:17 GMT -5
Since Yoda told Luke to pass on what he had learned, Luke did it in the only way he could. It took him 7 yrs to even get started asking the New Republic if he could even start having a Jedi Academy, which the NR granted him. I think it was even 10 yrs by the time everything got up & running, a bit bumpy but at least started. Luke even himself admits how uncertain he was (& he got criticized a lot by many)but he has to be given credit that he did follow up on what Yoda instructed him to do. He was searching all the time for Jedi hopefuls (some were decendents--(Corran Horn) or trained by the old Jedi that went into hiding) & even the holoprojectors that old Jedi used to record on(hard to locate since)---Darth Vader destroyed much of the past under Palpatines direction. I also think that Darth Vader, when he realized he had a son in TESB, things start changing in him, but very slowly. I think DV hated being under Palpatines thumb a lot.
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Post by Cara Drume on Aug 17, 2006 12:08:47 GMT -5
Since I don't even read the EU anymore, I have no clue.
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Post by Cozmo on Nov 14, 2007 16:39:14 GMT -5
Okay, I've got a buck-oh-five to throw in, too. Again, resurrecting a long-dead post. Call me a miracle-worker. Luke did not ruin the Jedi Order. The Jedi Order ruined itself. As had been mentioned several times (though perhaps not in this post), many of the Jedi were looking so far forward down the destiny path that they failed to see the evil that was forming under their noses in the moment. If you consider the Jedi Council from KOTOR II, they felt that waiting until they were sure they were upholding the Jedi Code was more important than taking care of the problem that was forming at the moment. I understand that they were worried about how their actions would impact the future, but sometimes you have to just deal with the situation and worry about the future when it happens. That "Wait and see" attitude was part of the problem before World War 2 that allowed Hitler and Germany to get so powerful. Nobody took action, or at least nobody took enough action early enough to be able to stop the juggernaut. I think Luke, given the tools that he had at his disposal (training from Ben and Yoda, as well as Jedi Holocrons found later on) and the changed face and heart of the galaxy, did admirably well. As I think about I, Jedi, I think Luke is proof that you've never "arrived." You can always improve yourself. Enough people knew about the Jedi to understand that they were rebuilding a legacy and creating a new one at the same time. One thing I think Luke did well (at least later on) was to recognize a Jedi by where their heart lay. Instead of saying, "This is what a Jedi Knight is, and you have to fit these criteria in order to fit in," Luke seems to have taken an approach where the core elements of a Jedi are the same, but he also was able to encourage individuality among his students, recognizing that each of us are unique from the other. As far as the whole love thing, I think it's silly to forbid marriage. Love isn't bad or destructive unless it becomes possessive. Possession is forbidden by the Code, if you get down to it. Even passion isn't bad, and to deny that you have passion is to deny that you are a human (I know there are aliens there, but since anyone reading this is human, I'll stick with it). One must learn to love with an open heart, which is what Qui-Gon tried to teach Obi-Wan to do. Anakin loved his mother, as he loved Padme, but he wasn't willing to let either of them go, and he ended up losing both of them, and it brought his ruin. I've been married for 9 years, and my wife and I have four beautiful children. I love them all so much that sometimes it hurts. Seriously. Now, I believe in God, so if you don't, just humour me, here. But if God decides that it's time to take them back, there's nothing I can do to change it. If it's their time, then it's their time, and I'm just going to have to accept it if I want to continue living and be able to heal. Love with an open heart, my friends. You'll find that, not only will you be able to take in more love, but you'll be able to let it go much more easily.
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Post by Kryy Jacobi on Nov 14, 2007 19:29:47 GMT -5
Jacen Solo is definitely going to be Luke's successor IMHO (Unless Ben snaps out of his Force Fear) maybe even then.......... Oops... ... but "always in motion is the future!" That's how/why we all stay "hooked".
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Post by jacelarsen on Dec 9, 2007 17:55:28 GMT -5
Like I said before, it's fear that leads to the dark side. BakaNeko, the examples you gave were all examples of being afraid of losing the one you love. As long as you hold on to love, you will stay light and pure. If you let your fear consume you, as Anakin did, that is what leads you down the dark path. Fear that is brought upon because of the love, yes. If you don't love you have nothing to fear losing. If you don't have love, you don't have loyalty to anything. If you talk to any Marine, they will tell you that they LOVE their Families and their country. That is why they lay their lives down on the line, with no hesitation. If you don't love someone or something, you have nothing to be loyal/dedicated to.
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Post by Solinbeb Newau on Dec 9, 2007 19:07:42 GMT -5
Fear that is brought upon because of the love, yes. If you don't love you have nothing to fear losing. If you don't have love, you don't have loyalty to anything. If you talk to any Marine, they will tell you that they LOVE their Families and their country. That is why they lay their lives down on the line, with no hesitation. If you don't love someone or something, you have nothing to be loyal/dedicated to. Love is the main reason to do anything (and in some cases not do anything)
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