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Post by Anakin Skywalker on Mar 26, 2005 15:27:03 GMT -5
well i for one am under 25 and i think pretty logicly  Likewise. |
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Xzandar Vannlo
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Post by Xzandar Vannlo on Mar 26, 2005 16:04:05 GMT -5
well i for one am under 25 and i think pretty logicly I think logicly. And I take it as an insult that JMD said people under age 25 don't think logicly. |
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Post by Shatir Lavan on Mar 26, 2005 17:35:57 GMT -5
Don't take it as an insult, Vannlo. People of different age groups often just don't understand each others' thought patterns. It is the same as people of different religious backgrounds find it hard to understand each other. I will never understand why many people have a need to believe in God, for example. I have no need for a higher being, and I don't know why others choose to believe in one. But that doesn't mean I'll be offended when someone tells me I'm wrong because I don't believe in God. I just pity the other person that they can't respect other people's beliefs. As for the age thing, have you ever heard of a little thing called street racing? It's mostly early 20somethings who do it, and it kills people. One girl who went to my high school was killed by a young street racer. Other people make generalizations about entire age groups because of the actions of a stupid few. In this world, good things go relatively unnoticed, and bad things stand out like a rancor among womprats. Just be a good influence and help clear the bad reputation we late teens/ young adults have.
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Post by modeleers on Mar 27, 2005 16:10:50 GMT -5
Masters Leda & the Young Shatir Lavan are right ON TARGET!
Balance and Clear Thinking are the Keys to Serving and Duty as a Jedi Knight.
"know love",
that term translates as 'TO HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF'.
Falling in love or Having known love, is Not the same as "A Jedi shall not Know Love".
It is Council to a Student. What it means is:
Don't waist your time on that Path. It will Not serve the Jedi Cause.
The following is to the Young Jedi who typed about the logic behind Murder:
Something or Someone "Made" a person do This or That?
Love and Revenge on the same Plate, And it "Made" him Kill?
Sounds to me like Young Jedi were turned loose on the Universe, Before their were finished with their Learning.
That Logic(?) just about kills the Idea of being Responsible & Accountable for your own actions. How very NOT Jedi can thinking get? Might as well order a side dish of Darkside with your Happy Meal.
"The first person to strike a blow, is the first who stopped Thinking."
- Some Greek Guy
"Youth is Waisted on the Young"
-Some English Guy
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Post by Shatir Lavan on Mar 28, 2005 23:27:22 GMT -5
Youth IS wasted on the young. I'm 18 and I can admit that. Your youth is the time when you should be learning about life and doing the right thing, having adventures. These days there are so many kids that do drugs and get drunk that it makes me sad. I say let old people be the time wasters, and let young people make use of their lives for once. I know I make use of mine.
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Post by Leda EmBorr on Mar 28, 2005 23:40:07 GMT -5
Time is never wasted if you're learning... and learning should be lifelong. For the young and old... I learn much from watching my parents as they age, they're in their late seventies and early 80's. I also see how much my kids learn by watching me, and I'm amazed every day as to how much I learn from them.  |
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Post by Kyrel-Dak on Mar 29, 2005 0:18:27 GMT -5
Ok...........so..........back to Luke.........what about Yoda and Obi-Wan believing that Luke is their only hope in defeating Vader and his Emporer.........I mean, if the best Jedi in the Galaxy couldn't defeat Sidious what in the world made Obi-Wan and Yoda think he could.
Luke may have bested Vader with a lightsaber but he was going to be killed by Sidious. Vaders intervention only occured because Luke was right in believing Vader had some feelings for him and would not let him die.
My feeling is that Yoda and Obi-Wan sent him to his death and that any hope Luke could stand up to the emporer was reaching for it. Yoda of all beings should have known better as we will see in ROTS. If it had not been for Lukes feelings for his father which he was scolded for by both Obi-Wan and Yoda then Vader would not have been redeemed and Luke would have killed Vader only to be killed himself by Sidious.
Luke indeed saved the Galaxy but not with his Jedi powers or a lightsaber but with his immense love for his father and determination to redeem him. He was surely headed for death if he thought he could take Sidious.
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Post by modeleers on Mar 29, 2005 11:35:34 GMT -5
Greetings to All,
The Galaxy will always manage to Produce what is needed to Save itself. Luke's love is a small part of the Bigger Picture. Most of the characters have very little time for love.
This is a Father & Son Myth, Joining to fight the Good Fight! Most are the Same with slight Twists in the tail/Tale.
Well, (takes deep breath and cracks knuckles)...
F&S stories, Like Holy Grail stories, have many Hurdles to Overcome, and Lessons to Learn, Before they can Join Forces to defeat a Greater Enemy. And in SW, the plot device is separation, They don't even know each other exists. A wizard (or 2) are in on the Secret. Twins are raised separately as orphans, one on a desert planet & the other on a peaceful planet.
The story morals are Many, Blood is thicker that water, two heads are better that one, look before you leap. Oh and yes, Love conquers All.
The same old story. If you Know the Story, it doesn't matter. The Fun is in the Tell. Being reminded of the Old Time lessons is Food for the Soul.
The minute Obi handed Luke his "Father's" Saber, I Knew the rest. I didn't care! I loved that Story! And I was ready to hear George Lucas' version of it. All the while, Joseph Campbell, disguised as an Owl perched on George's left shoulder, whispering the Lyrics of the Story Teller's Song...
Sidious came to Power with Vader's 'help'. A Wizard thinks, I'll use the boy to turn the Father Back. Tell the kid his Father is dead to gain time to teach him Jedi stuff and grow stranger. Kid is difficult student (Like Father Like Son, Neither finished Jedi training) All is Ready? Heck NO, total Chaos! Ready as it will ever be. They fight! (Fighting in some cultures is considered Union) Luke's love for his Father is confused, at best. Another separation gives them both time to think. Together again. more conflict. Fight again. Point them in the Right direction (toward Sidious), and stand back! The END
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Balance is the Key. Forcefully yours -Mikel
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Post by modeleers on Mar 29, 2005 12:10:58 GMT -5
A Jedi asked, "If the best Jedi in the Galaxy couldn't defeat Sidious what in the world made Obi-Wan and Yoda think Luke would succeed."
The Jedi Scribe who was Writing the 'Legend of Skywalker' replied, "They were Inspired by the Force with A New Hope!"
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Post by JediMistressDragon on Mar 29, 2005 12:16:58 GMT -5
And I take it as an insult that JMD said people under age 25 don't think logicly. <<<
I'm trying to not insult you, but I think those doctors investigating something to do with the brain (and it has been on the news alot lately) are right as I remember doing stupid things when younger (and I was considered super smart, but still, yes, I did stupid things I admit I wish i hadn't done now) as did my son, who'll soon be 27 on May 4th and admitted he did stupid s\things and it was his own fault for not listening to me back in high school.
Also experience also ads something to someone and when I was younger I admit I didn't know what love really was or that it didn't make me weak or anything. It's just I finally learned over the years, something anyone will would, and that's logical.
So, I wasn't intentally insulting you. Sorry.
JMD
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Post by dartimus on Mar 29, 2005 15:43:02 GMT -5
The beginning stages of being in love can make a person VERY giddy and in some cases really goofy. But I hadn't seen someone be truly stupid, only look so becasue they'er stumbling over their feet when around the subject they love. I've seen it happen, kinda' comical in a way. <snicker> Now an unconditional love, is a selfless type. Anikan had a point when he said "Jedi are taught to have an unconditional love. I guess you can say we'er commanded to love." Wellll, he had a point but it's a Teeeeeeny bit distorted. He's right in loving all people and it IS a command to love them. Doesn't mean you have to love what the people do. The 'no marriage' rule kinda stinks in my opinion. It doesn't make sense to force a person into a celebate lifestyle. Soe beings can't handle that, yet others can because maybe that one is called to such a lifestyle. I unconditionally love all people. Even ones I don't know. If it came down to it, I'd risk my life to save that person's without expecting thanks or a reward. Agreed. The old order was rigid and unchanging.. Without change there is nothing but the abyss waiting for you.. One must adapt.. Change with the flow. Or be extinct. |
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Post by dartimus on Mar 29, 2005 15:48:09 GMT -5
Vannlo, I'm sorry if I offended you, but think of the context. I'm an atheist who is complimenting Jesus as being wise and a good influence. Just because I don't worship him, that doesn't mean I don't respect his teachings. He told people to love one another. I love my girlfriend. I would die to save her life. I don't consider that a stupid thing, I consider that a noble and selfless thing. Agreed. |
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Post by Shatir Lavan on Mar 29, 2005 15:49:02 GMT -5
If Luke had killed Vader, Sidious would have taken Luke as his apprentice. He even told Luke that after Luke had chopped Vader's hand off. But Luke's love for his father made him make the right choice, and Anakin's love for his son made him make the right choice. Love is what brought balance to the Force.
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Post by dartimus on Mar 29, 2005 15:52:24 GMT -5
I think logicly. And I take it as an insult that JMD said people under age 25 don't think logicly. I've met some under 25ers.. And they think more logically then most over 25ers do.. Heck then most 30 plusers and above. |
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Post by dartimus on Mar 29, 2005 15:55:56 GMT -5
Ok...........so..........back to Luke.........what about Yoda and Obi-Wan believing that Luke is their only hope in defeating Vader and his Emporer.........I mean, if the best Jedi in the Galaxy couldn't defeat Sidious what in the world made Obi-Wan and Yoda think he could. Luke may have bested Vader with a lightsaber but he was going to be killed by Sidious. Vaders intervention only occured because Luke was right in believing Vader had some feelings for him and would not let him die. My feeling is that Yoda and Obi-Wan sent him to his death and that any hope Luke could stand up to the emporer was reaching for it. Yoda of all beings should have known better as we will see in ROTS. If it had not been for Lukes feelings for his father which he was scolded for by both Obi-Wan and Yoda then Vader would not have been redeemed and Luke would have killed Vader only to be killed himself by Sidious. Luke indeed saved the Galaxy but not with his Jedi powers or a lightsaber but with his immense love for his father and determination to redeem him. He was surely headed for death if he thought he could take Sidious. Actually Sidious aka Emperor Palpatine would have made Luke into his new servant. But since Luke had alot of love for his father.. And knew he had some sort of chance in saving him.. HE did do just that. But not with the force.. OR his saber. |
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