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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Feb 6, 2005 23:50:22 GMT -5
When I started getting my old Jedi clothes into shape I needed a new belt that looked more like the Old Republic Jedi equipment. So, I folllowed the directions I found on the Padawan's Guide, JediKai's and various other web pages and got two belts that look pretty good. But they're made with a couple of belts with two closures, the smaller belt has the buckle in front and the wider belt has the hidden closure in back.
To put either one on I need to open both closures, but I never want to separate the belts and to put the whole thing back together again, so I only loosen them enough for me to put the belt over my head to slide it on over me. Does everyone else do it that way? It makes me think that Jedi getting dressed in the morning must look very strange.
All the various Jedi bits and pieces that I'd accumulated over the years amounted to 3 different outfits with a few added accessories, and I have another belt with two closures in front, so that's much easier to get into; the wider belt has an unusual buckle that looks natural enough with the smaller buckle over it. Does anyone have a belt like that?
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Post by Ky-Wan Zann on Feb 7, 2005 2:54:22 GMT -5
Mine has two small buckles on it it click together and ya can slide a leather cover over the buckles, thats how they do it in the films. that's why theres that little leather cover at the back of the belts if you look at promo pics.
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Post by Jedimom/Cor-Al Gelkar on Feb 7, 2005 8:03:36 GMT -5
Hmmm. Good question since I am now working on a more accurate belt by customizing a regular pants belt. I was planning on just using the one that came with the belt (I might have a cover for it). Any good places / tutorial on how to replace a big belt buckle and put on a smaller one. The Padawan's Guide doesn't seem to say.
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Post by Saberbelt on Feb 7, 2005 10:03:39 GMT -5
Mine has two small buckles on it it click together and ya can slide a leather cover over the buckles, thats how they do it in the films. that's why theres that little leather cover at the back of the belts if you look at promo pics. Actually - I have to dissagree with parts of this. The movie belts are in fact closed in the back with Velcro, this can be seen in some of the Ep3 web docs. The Velcro closes the belt and the leather loop holds the end closed, thats why on some belts the back cover is not exactly on center  Some of my early belts used a side release buckle as a closure, but I have found that Vecro lets the belt lay flatter in the back and look a bit better. Also, the back loop should be the same width as the belt, if you are using a 2.25" wide belt (accurate size) then the back loop should be 2.25" wide Hope this helps out Dave |
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Feb 7, 2005 22:44:37 GMT -5
Velcro? Really? Do you sew it on, or use the sticky-back velcro? I've had trouble with sticky velcro on anything that isn't a rigid surface. I hadn't thought of using velcro, but it sounds like it would work fine.
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Post by Kyrel-Dak on Feb 7, 2005 23:30:35 GMT -5
I made a very accurate belt for my padawan using one wide leather strip and one narrow one. Hers closes in the back with velcro which must be sewn on. The narrow strip is sewn on in such a way that when the belt is closed in the back the stip looks like it connects and actually comes to the front and connects with the buckle. That may sound confusing but looks very accurate. Mine has snaps, I snap it shut on the side then have to rotate it until the buckle is in front about a quarter turn. This works well for me, my padawan likes her velcro too, with either snaps or velcro they can be hidden with the large belt loop looking piece used to cover the closures. However you do it rotation is about the only way without pulling it up over the legs or down from the head, I don't recommend these methods unless it really works for you.
By the way, I assembled my padawans belt for fifty dollars in materials purchased from Tandy, including the accurate studs and dye. This may sound pricey but is worth the money for the look and accuracy. The same might be achieved with store bought belts, perhaps a bit cheaper but you run into the buckle difficulties and changes.
One note, although my personal preference in look is the Prequel belts on Obi, Qui and Anakin, there were also many custom variances and although some of us may not care for the look of narrower belts or strange buckle configurations they sure would not be inaccurate. Adi Gallia had a different version and Mace had two different version from Ep I and Ep II.
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Post by Saberbelt on Feb 7, 2005 23:59:04 GMT -5
Yup - all the Velcro I use is sewn on - I wouldn't have it any other way. Not to pick an arguement about accurate vs inaccurate with you Kyrel-Dak but the Sam Browne rivets from Tandy are not accurate but they are close. It is the taper that makes them wrong. The correct, screen accurate rivets are the ones without the taper which took me forever to find. Here is that comparison pic again:  The left rivets is the Sam Browne and the middle & right rivets are the more accurate ones. I am sure others will chime in, but I don't want this to become a negative debate so lets keep this civil Dave |
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Post by JediKai on Feb 8, 2005 1:08:07 GMT -5
But they're made with a couple of belts with two closures, the smaller belt has the buckle in front and the wider belt has the hidden closure in back. To put either one on I need to open both closures, but I never want to separate the belts and to put the whole thing back together again, so I only loosen them enough for me to put the belt over my head to slide it on over me. ?? The narrow belt with the buckle closure in front doesn't actually DO anything. It's fastened with rivets, as above. The only closure is that in the back. I choose a buckle as I wanted the belt to be more adjustable in size. |
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Post by Ky-Wan Zann on Feb 8, 2005 2:56:22 GMT -5
ok....so the buckles part may have been incorrect but the idea I was trying to put accross was that the belts are put on from the back and the buckles.fastner what have you is covered.
I would suggest experimenting and finding what way you find is best for you. Not everyone has to do it the same way.
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Post by Laan Kro on Feb 8, 2005 9:49:26 GMT -5
My latest belt, and my favorite design so far, actually does rely on the front buckle to clasp the whole belt.
I have the wide keeper in the back, but the two ends of the large belt only overlap under it and have no clasp in back. The small accent belt wraps around the entire belt and clasps in the front.
I like this design because it's a lot smoother in back and it's also the way I think the belts would be in "real life." It never really made sense to me to have a small buckle in front that doesn't actually do anything.
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Post by Saberbelt on Feb 8, 2005 11:08:07 GMT -5
Easy guys - no need to get defensive A lot of people do it different ways. I have found it easier to have sewn velcro in the back, others like a buckle in the back, still others want a tie, maybe someone used a rectangular buckle like the OT belts.......bottom line is, and I agree with the statement, find what you like and go from there - again, this is advice from a lot of different people and opinions will vary. Dave |
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Post by Theyrenotdolls (Den Dragonson) on Feb 8, 2005 11:30:31 GMT -5
i use Tandy Line 24 silver snaps in the back: six "female" snaps on one end of belt and 4 "male" snaps. this way i have a can adjust it a couple of inches this way or that, depending on the thickness of my costume/season of year. regarding the purpose of the buckle up front: in movie world, i say that the jedi use a buckle/velcro/snaps in the back to hold the belt on and somehow, the narrow belt and buckle are used for "fine adjustment" for a slightly tighter or more loose fit...maybe depending what type of items they are carrying in their pouches on that particular mission, etc. my buckle up front is "faux".  it's in the background here, more pics after my pouches are completed.  Regarding hte Sam Browne rivets....i agree with saberbelt, they are not movie accurate...however...i think that they are jedi accurate...if you get my drift. TND |
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Post by Primrodo on Feb 8, 2005 13:18:49 GMT -5
Well half the issue with the sam brownes is that they are twice the size, they really don't look right when you have thicker leather as the accent belt either.
Its more than movie accurate or Jedi accurate, just looks much better.
And as for the movie belt, well Anakins at least, Its velcroed at the back and the accent belt actually goes around as one peice...difficult to put on though.
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Post by Jauhzmynn Enz on Feb 8, 2005 14:39:57 GMT -5
My belt is snapped one(allof them really) it works well, but I'm experimenting with using the leather in loops to cause tension to keepit on, Similar to how Laan descibed his.
LonMark had constructed a belt using the tension method. It does work, that belt ain't coming off easily. However I'm going to tweek the design a little. Hardest part is the belt keeper in back. It has to be rivited in place to one of the wide peices or you can't pass the other end through and holdit. The narrow band goes through this space and the buckle actually functions to hold the bugger on.
UNLESS I use the clasp Laan sent me for the securing mecanism for the wide belt.Merely a security blanket.
Please pardon the ramble I'm thinking aloud. If anyone has tips, advice etc, please send it over please.:-)
Back to belt fastening techquices. It doesn't matter really how they'er put on movie accruate or not, as long as it stays on and looks good. they use velcro only cus it's easily found, quick to repair and quick to put on/remove. easy assembly too. I like snaps, but have to the dance and wiggle to pu ton new belts. it's comical to watch and it's why Jedi come in pairs.;-) Belt keepers will hide any manner of fasterners the wearer wishes to use.
Belt scale to wearer:
My belt isn't the exact width(WIde belt) as the movies becasue my wasit/hip distance is too short. A huge belt would look HUGEon my small boned frame, but a 2" wide belt would look right in scale to me frame. If the rest of it is in the proer scale, it'll look right. On Qui Gon a 2.25-2.5 or 3" wide belt looks fine, his torso is longer and he's obviosuly larger boned then I am.)
I think there's a HUGE amount of latatude of fastener choices, belt widths etc. I
Budget belt options:
Even on a budget a person can construct a jedi belt from belts they have for their pants. If they've a 2.5 "wide and a 1/2" wide narrow belt. Jsut turn them backwards, hide the buckles under belt keepers. and apply the Sam browns in the right places. If there's the right manner fo buckle, it cna be slid through the narrow belt withthe right keeprs on either side. THis idea came to mind becasue4 many costuemrs are teens who don't have as easy acess to cash.
Neat thing is the regular pants belt can be Jedi-ized and unJedi ized quickly.
Once I get the right parts I'll see how quickly this can be theoretically done then pass it on to you guys.
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Post by Kyrel-Dak on Feb 8, 2005 15:35:20 GMT -5
I used the Sam Brown posts because they were the closest I could find at the time........I used thick leather on my Padawans belt so the SB's don't look that bad.....I agree the others look better and would like to know where they came from. The SB's though look more accurate than the Chicago screws which seems to be popular too. I have the screws too but when compared to the SB's, the SB's looked better and I didn't know the other posts where out there somewhere. Thanks for showing the photos of them, clear difference........
Note: I haven't detected any heat on these posts......these are good and all have been great contributions.......these are the type of discussions that show the great attention to detail and desire to make the absolute best .........good work...........
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