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Post by defyitall on Jun 18, 2007 15:18:53 GMT -5
Before we get into an argument about whether choreo or live combat is better, here's the point me and Bryan are trying to make:
Not everyone cares about duelability in sabers.
I go to events and I stand around and take pictures with kids. I don't fight other people and I don't much enjoy fighting other people. The few times I have been asked to do some sort of duel for a crowd I have always choreo'd something ahead of time and then was able to swing at a slow speed and save my saber from any damage.
That being said I think the string of LEDs in the blade and specifically the scrolling effect is way cooler than the single Luxeon look. And people seem to agree with me and they always say, "Hey, sweet!" when I ignite my saber for a picture.
My complaint with the MR blades is that they aren't all that bright in higher light conditions. Like the events I do in sunlight or bright overhead lights or with lots of flash photography.
I am interested in Hyperdyne's stuff because it incorporates the scrolling effect with a much brighter blade and a louder sound that will show up in flash photos and has some other cool features like flicker and pulse and vibration.
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Post by Bryanakin on Jun 18, 2007 16:15:02 GMT -5
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Post by vortextwist on Jun 18, 2007 18:18:37 GMT -5
that one was actually pretty good. I have always loved that scene in the movie and they did a pretty good job. I did say earlier it was a matter of prefrence.
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Post by Solinbeb Newau on Jun 19, 2007 10:11:07 GMT -5
Duelibility is important for me, because I don't have the money to buy multiple blades to work through choreography and then have other blades for show.
That, and sometimes my friends and I actually spar just for the heck of it.
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Post by Olos Nay on Jun 19, 2007 10:58:44 GMT -5
Wouldn't that mean that you're swinging a bit too hard? Afterall, it's supposed to be role play, and if one is swinging to the point of damaging things, wouldn't that mean that one is also risking injury to their opponent as well? Who's talking about roleplay? when I read duelable, I think duel, not kid play. While a cute choreography can be nice, sometime a full fledged combat with proper technique is good as well. Fencing and martial arts isn't supposed to be choreography-only, and there is proper protection equipment... if your saber can't hold the impact, where's the point? I think a good polycarbonate blade in the dark is a lot more fun then kendo practice equipment... and my saber holds very well against those. Nevertheless, even while mild choreography you can hit pretty hard for realism and in-blade components WILL suffer from repeated impacts on the long run. Not everyone cares about duelability in sabers. fully agree... some need a better show blade, which I believe Hyperdyne has achieved better then others, to the privation of better duel abilities and balance. I have reflective blades I use for inside flash photography. I am thinking about using clear colored blades for outdoor events. Hyperdyne would make a perfect in-show blade while my luxeons will never have the same scroll out scroll in feature... unless I make a non-duelable luxeon-based blade with a scroling bearing inside. (still working on it) The problem I see is that people *thinks* Hyperblades are both great show and full-fledge duelable blades, which is not the case in my opinion. They are mildly duelable, a hell more sturdy then MRFX, but still on the heavy and breakable side compared to Luxeons... but have a better visual rendition.
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Post by defyitall on Jun 19, 2007 11:06:02 GMT -5
Ok then we agree on that point. My side is I get pretty sick of coming into threads like these and stating that I am interesting in better looking sabers and getting trampled with statements like, "But you can't fight with them," and, "What's the point if they're not duelable?"
My use of sabers has nothing to do with fighting. I don't fancy myself agile, a martial artist, or a Jedi. Sabers are a visual prop for my costumes. I need them to look good.
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Post by Olos Nay on Jun 19, 2007 11:12:43 GMT -5
Oh, I fully agree with you Chris. I Have many trooping events to my account in Jedi garb, and having a proper show blade can be very handy. Not everyone has the same needs.
I used to want to have 1 and only 1 saber, to do all of my saber-need... duel, combat, choreography, show, inside and outside, TV, photography... I realised various needs leads to various blades.
I still believe hyperblades overpriced, but for some it might be a good deal anyway. I'm considering getting one when I have the appropriate funding for it.
maybe we should start a topic on what type of blade to use for whas type of conditions... with picture/video to demonstrate it.
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Post by defyitall on Jun 19, 2007 11:34:03 GMT -5
Yeah that would be cool. I'd like to get exposure to people's needs and other makers other than the well known ones (Ultra, Hyperdyne, MR, etc.)
I stood around this weekend and watched a couple guys from my RL base change the settings on their Hyperdynes and it was pretty cool to see how much functionality they have.
Like you, I wish there was some be-all, end-all option. Something that combined everything we all want: strength, durability, brightness, loud sound, ease of use, correct proportions, scrolling effect, etc.
Sadly, there isn't. Hence why I currently own 2 Obi-Wan FX's: one MR and one Lux conversion.
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Post by Bryanakin on Jun 19, 2007 12:13:04 GMT -5
All excellent points and a just debate.
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Post by Hasid Lafre on Jun 19, 2007 13:00:16 GMT -5
Well the only thing a hyper setup does offer that some dont is the scrolling. I never liked the scroll effect I prefer the fade in and out. looks more real. Then his offers brightness. There are sound boards out there that offer features and you can adjust how fast of slow the on off sequence is done the sounds adjust to the other features. Ultras new sound board offers that flicker effect. Iam gonna ask erv if hes board will be abel to do that. Erv has just finished up the other thing that his board does now. it is capable of playing music that you might have on your pc. Hes got the force effect for a pull or push. blaster block button or a lock up effect. Persionally sence erv released his V2 board hypers has been outdated. You can make a blade that looks like hypers by using 3 or 4 mr strips wired togeather sence thats allit is. And sence you dont duel you wont have a problem of braking the leds. Persionally Unless hyper comes out with something new like being abel to take the blade out, or actually update his product that hes not making money off of, then Iam not intrested in anything hes got. The only thing he ever made money off of more than anything is that vader sound thing hes got for the vader costumers, and thats been gone for a long time. susposidly its goign to be updated but no its prolly nto gonna be. Hyper needs to be abel to come up with something new that appeals to everyone the onlything his blade offers that others dong is the brightness and thats cause the blade is full of leds. and the single led makers are about to that point of being brighter than a hyper. img95.imageshack.us/my.php?image=bladepictsgn5.jpgNotice the 3W lux led is almost as bright, Now if they would of stuck a 5W lux inthere instead of a 3W they we can have a comparable pic. The fact that I can still see the stock mr on over the hyper right next to it dosent make me think his blades are all that bright. And the lux blade is using corbins fil which is susposed to give you that origional star wars movie poster look. of a white core and the big flare at the bottem.
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Post by defyitall on Jun 19, 2007 13:06:58 GMT -5
Yeah, but I don't wan the movie poster look. I want the rotoscoped look you actually see in the films. I want bright all over not the flash light look of single LEDs. I think the scrolling effect looks more "real" since the blade sin the films don't fade up they extend out of the hilt.
It sounds almost like you have some personal vendetta against Jim. Can you elaborate, with facts this time, as to what makes his board outdated compared to Erv's?
As far as I was aware, Erv and Jim's boards share a lot of the same features. I'd like to know more about what the differences are.
Thanks.
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Post by Hasid Lafre on Jun 19, 2007 13:24:47 GMT -5
ERvs first board couldent be released cause it susposidly had the same patent as hypers. but sence his new board can be sold now it shares nothing like hypers.The rotoscoped look looks to fake and I dont like it.
Hyper hasent done anything to his setup sence he released it. Which means thats old and outdated.
hos sounds you cant customize like with ervs board. If theres a specific set of sounds you want load them up and it dosent sound recorded.
You got an aux button with ervs to controll the blaster and lockup and if you hold it right and push the hilt you got the force effect.
Ervs board with the tiny 1" speaker that is sold at tcss is alot louder than hypers and his sounds are just like mrs sounds recorded and you cant change the sounds.
Like I said the one in the pic was using corbins film which does one thing, thers other blade films out there that have other effects.
Ultras blades are pritty close to the roto effect without looking like the falke looking rotoscoping.
The fade looks more real over the scrolling effect, to get the movie extend/retract hypers blades would have to light up one led at a time. other than that it looks like crap like the mrs do.
I prefer saber technology that advances everyday not sit in its own stew.
Becides I wouldent want to do work with someone who thinsks his setup is the be all and end all..
You should see how he talks about the saber sellers/makers about using the lux's its down right hycritical.
Hes rude and not someone who I would want to do bisness with.
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Post by defyitall on Jun 19, 2007 13:36:58 GMT -5
Dude, spell check please. It's really tough to read through your posts.
It's fine that you like Erv's board better. I am quite impressed with his stuff as well. However I don't believe that he does MR conversions and I don't do a custom Jedi so I need my Obi-Wan FX converted. I see you points about Erv's stuff being better. I get the differences now thank you. But if you're just gonna continue to detract and not add anything to our conversation about Hyperdyne then I think you've done your job and let's be done with it.
I think you and me how seriously ruined this thread just by bickering back and forth with our small amount of knowledge of saber electronics.
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