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Post by nassik on Sept 27, 2007 21:09:18 GMT -5
Since I started this thread oh' so long ago I guess that I'll remind folks on why it was started. I am NOT debating the acceptance of grey here in the TJA. The color is unacceptable and I have a set of browns anyway. LOL My confusion arose because of the debate on whether or not grey is an earth tone. I maintain that is is (I'm still NOT arguing for its acceptance here). Therefore, I offer up this definition... "Earth tone is a color scheme that draws from a color palette of browns, tans, greys, greens and some reds. The colors in an earth tone scheme are muted and flat in an emulation of the natural colors found in dirt and rocks." Rocks are grey and so that's why I believe grey to be an earth tone (you don't get any more earthy than rocks). The same could be stated for green Corellian Jedi robes, I suppose. You could easily assert that an earth tone is nearly any muted color found in nature (ie. earth). From the muted orange of a fallen leaf in autumn to the green in a blade of grass. Don't worry, I'm NOT arguing for the inclusion of these colors into the TJA. After all, I did invest in a fully brown set that is in accordance with TJA regulations. I'm simply pointing out that browns aren't the only earth tones. I remember getting swamped with responses over my fight for the acceptance of grey and so I'm not going to try and start that up again. No one's ready for that yet. LOL I always understood the reasoning for remaining with the traditional Jedi browns. After all, that's what we "usually" saw on film. And I do own the traditional browns myself. Please, no flaming. People came down on me pretty hard last time and that's why I vanished for a year. I'm trying to inspire rational debate and discussion, not attack. Thank you.
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Post by Emerita on Sept 28, 2007 9:05:14 GMT -5
Your grey's are beautiful....... and don't vanish again.
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Post by Olos Nay on Sept 29, 2007 1:04:54 GMT -5
The only problem is that you assume that "earth tone" refers to "colors found naturally on Earth" instead of "shades of earth" where "earth" is defined as " The softer, friable part of land; soil, especially productive soil." - a rock is definately NOT part of the productive soil; while its a natural color that could be assumed to be great for a Jedi. I must admit that I had to read further the "why can't we use any natural colors" when I started my researches on making my Jedi costume, and without words from the costume dept at LFL, I would still have problems to understand why "earth tones" only... On another hand, the EU is a great place for all kind of non-brown Jedi, and I like grey a lot more then flashy green. Also, your grey costume, as well as many other I saw, looks great. (congrats BTW) But the point remain the same, all the movie-based Jedi characters have shades of brown. Of course, if we adapt the dictionary, anything can mean everything and so forth. When I made my costume, I wanted to look like in the movie. Lucky for me, that's how I got in here.
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Post by nassik on Sept 29, 2007 3:05:02 GMT -5
Very cool, Olos. You see,that's all I wanted... to see what people think. I've got my browns and it doesn't matter that grey is unacceptable. All the movie-based Jedi weren't in browns actually. Aayla Secura, Bariss Offee, and such. I really just like seeing variety in Jedi costumes and it really surprised me when I first found the TJA to see how similar everyone was. I was and am still immersed in the EU and I've read about and seen a lot of variety in Jedi garb. Nomi Sunrider in green and yellow? No way would I go for that look. LOL My impressions were that the Jedi all wore a derivative of Jedi robes (either formal robes or clothes in similar tones). That the Jedi were allowed to determine their own clothing as long as there was some inclination of being a Jedi. Ashared Hett didn't wear formal robes though he did opt for browns. And Baris Offee wore robes without brown in them.
The point, I think, is recognizability. The everyday person on the street may not be a devoted fan but they will recognize a brown-robed Jedi costume. My greys are great but who would know what I was in them if they aren't a devoted Star Wars fan? Last Halloween a kid at the door didn't recognize the costume. I doubt that I would've had that problem if I had my brown set at that time.
As far as green robes go, I have yet to see a really outstanding set of Corran Horn traditional Corellian robes. I, Jedi by Michael Stackpole describes the set as "green robes with a black overrobe." That isn't really enough information to base a good set off of. Most drawing and versions that I've seen have a green overrobe and that just doesn't look right. Maybe someone will get it right eventually. Corran Horn is my favorite Jedi but I don't know if green is a fitting color for Jedi robes.
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Post by Stey Fann Jull on Sept 29, 2007 13:13:22 GMT -5
well personnaly, im not color expert. I have a dark chocolate color tunic i would love to use with TJA and i dont think i can because the tunic itself look black but when you put a true black fabric close to my tunic, the tunic look brown. I know there is some standars with the Jedi assembly. The earth tone is confusing a bit, Thats true. I saw black dirt LOL. Black rocks. For me an not entierely black tunic could be cool. Like black leather tabatars or a black under tunic. But thats my personnal taste. MAybe the color rules of TJA is just to prevent some very funky color match some people would like to submit like a pink and baby blue Jedi. But no doubt about your gear good job Nassik. I think, if im right in the Jedi trial book, Neeja Halcyon wear a green over robe.
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Post by Jedimom/Cor-Al Gelkar on Sept 29, 2007 18:27:09 GMT -5
True chocolate brown is acceptable as long as you let us know it is brown and not black. Even green is acceptable IF it has a reference in a book or comic. Wd do accept other colors as long as there is a reference. We want to be known as "Jedi" when someone who may not be a true Star Wars fan but has seen the movies, sees us, -- an average person -- which is why we stick kinda to the browns/tans. We are not closed-minded. Even khaki, true khaki, has a greenish tinge to it. I know Corran does wear green, as a Corellian Jedi, but don't know if there is a good enough description anywhere that explains exactly what is green -- tabbards, obi, whole tunic, any and/or all of the above.. and what shade of green? Bright lime green? (Hope not, but we don't know if it was green green, hunter green, Irish green or what...)
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Post by I Five on Sept 30, 2007 11:51:01 GMT -5
The only problem is that you assume that "earth tone" refers to "colors found naturally on Earth" instead of "shades of earth" where "earth" is defined as " The softer, friable part of land; soil, especially productive soil." - a rock is definately NOT part of the productive soil; while its a natural color that could be assumed to be great for a Jedi. I must admit that I had to read further the "why can't we use any natural colors" when I started my researches on making my Jedi costume, and without words from the costume dept at LFL, I would still have problems to understand why "earth tones" only... On another hand, the EU is a great place for all kind of non-brown Jedi, and I like grey a lot more then flashy green. Also, your grey costume, as well as many other I saw, looks great. (congrats BTW) But the point remain the same, all the movie-based Jedi characters have shades of brown. Of course, if we adapt the dictionary, anything can mean everything and so forth. When I made my costume, I wanted to look like in the movie. Lucky for me, that's how I got in here. Hmmm....Not saying anything about jedi colors here, but Grey is a soil color! It's found in the soil profile of a poorly drained soil. Well drained soils are the rust shades...poorly drained soils are grey shades ;D Now that everyone has had their soil lesson for the day I'll stop hijacking this thread (But soils are a very intresting field to study
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Post by J'aii-Gun Jiinn on Sept 30, 2007 15:28:54 GMT -5
Technically Gray is defined by being a neutral tone.Warm gray is the earth tone of gray.Since you put brown in it.Black,white ,and gray are neutral tones.In other words Neutrals go with any color. That's probably what the council has meant.Warm,Sage gray are shades of gray.It's not true gray
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Post by Olos Nay on Sept 30, 2007 22:05:48 GMT -5
Hmmm....Not saying anything about jedi colors here, but Grey is a soil color! It's found in the soil profile of a poorly drained soil. Well drained soils are the rust shades...poorly drained soils are grey shades ;D When you have a shade of grey that is also a shade of brown, do you think it differs from the definition of earth tone I have been mentionning? there is also soils that are considered red... it is a shade of reddish brown. Does it make it a pure red? does it make it not a brown? grey soil are a greyish brown. Less brown, more grey, still brownish. MMMMmmmmmm brownish.
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Post by Stey Fann Jull on Oct 5, 2007 9:29:15 GMT -5
just by example, what about black leather tabs.... if you dont make an Anaking ROTS, on a dark chocolate tunic....
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Post by I Five on Oct 5, 2007 15:12:34 GMT -5
Hmmm....Not saying anything about jedi colors here, but Grey is a soil color! It's found in the soil profile of a poorly drained soil. Well drained soils are the rust shades...poorly drained soils are grey shades ;D When you have a shade of grey that is also a shade of brown, do you think it differs from the definition of earth tone I have been mentionning? there is also soils that are considered red... it is a shade of reddish brown. Does it make it a pure red? does it make it not a brown? grey soil are a greyish brown. Less brown, more grey, still brownish. MMMMmmmmmm brownish. Actually I studied soils in college (my minor was in Horticulture ). Grey soils are not a shade of brown. They have turned grey due to standing water that has nowhere to drain. 'bright' soils (brown,red,rust, etc.) are signs of good drainage. Yes, 'red' is actually reddish brown. But grey is just grey...not a shade of brown. We have a very high watertable where I live. If the fields are not tiled the water will not drain and the subsoil is grey...it's actually a pretty cool profile to see when the machine tiles the land ;D
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Post by acalsohei on Oct 5, 2007 17:47:01 GMT -5
I'll vouch for that grey in some fields around here! The trail of the tiler is very noticible.
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Post by I Five on Oct 6, 2007 8:33:04 GMT -5
That is so funny.....my musical friend knows her soils ;D I'll make a farmer out of you yet
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Post by acalsohei on Oct 6, 2007 18:51:53 GMT -5
Hey, I'm only 1 1/2 generations off the farm. I spent summers at my grandparents, and I've lived in rural areas of MN my whole adult life. With that many years of experience, you pick up a few fun facts along the way.
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Post by acalsohei on Oct 7, 2007 22:55:30 GMT -5
Really pretty, Xana. Looks like many areas of MN.
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