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Post by Theyrenotdolls (Den Dragonson) on Feb 5, 2007 23:21:56 GMT -5
Of course for all I've said to work it raises another question- why did R2 claim to be Obi-Wan's property? Well to try and answer that- it was the simplest most straight-forward response to why he had to find Obi-Wan. It would have been a bit too much to say, "I was the property of Anakin Skywalker (your real Father by the way Luke) who was Obi-Wan's student until he became the second most evil guy in the galaxy- and now Anakin (Vader) is going to kill your twin sister (Oops! Guess you didn't know that one either!)- so I have to get the plans of the Death Star to Obi-Wan as he is one of the last two remaining Jedi Knights and the only hope for the galaxy! LOL! I think we know that artoo is clever....Leia instructed him to find Obi Wan and deliver the message.....so artoo just used that line about being the property of obi wan kenobi...of course...all we have is threepio's translation of what artoo says...artoo might have said something more complicated and in the name of proper protocol...3po simplifies it. j/k
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Post by Darcu RyMal on Jun 5, 2007 20:44:50 GMT -5
R2 always seemed to be one of the most intelligent characters in the entire saga, to me. I think he definitely knew what he was doing the entire time and agree that he probably only said what was required to find Obi-Wan. I also agree that Obi-Wan most-likely was dancing around several truths regarding the Skywalkers' past. It seemed to me that he would not want to disclose anything too real about the past. He hadn't even mentioned his participation in the Clone Wars prior to this meeting with Luke.
I would surmise that Ben was filtering the information to Luke as to not overwhelm him with so much responsibility and guilt this early in the reintroduction of the Jedi.
I also always thought that perhaps Ben didn't want to tell Luke too much for fear that Vader's use of the Force might detect his son earlier than he did in ESB. Remember, they made Padme look as though she had still been pregnant for her funeral, therefore, Anakin's children were assumed to have perished with her. Upon Vader's meeting Luke in ESB, the connection to them was strong enough for him to realize that Luke was his son. This would seem to be consistent with how Vader read Luke's emotions about Leia in ROTJ, as well.
Am I nuts?
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Post by Lady Shada on Jul 9, 2007 10:23:33 GMT -5
Nah, I don't think you're nuts. ...from a certain point of view. Seriously, I agree with the filtering of information and the whole "from a certain point of view" things that Obi-Wan seems to keep up each time he speaks with Luke. Plus, that's George writing one story 20 years before writing that story's predecessor. So... I blame him a little too. From a certain point of view.
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Post by Cem-Ji Pobroo on Jul 5, 2008 23:49:30 GMT -5
R2 always seemed to be one of the most intelligent characters in the entire saga, to me. I think he definitely knew what he was doing the entire time and agree that he probably only said what was required to find Obi-Wan. I also agree that Obi-Wan most-likely was dancing around several truths regarding the Skywalkers' past. It seemed to me that he would not want to disclose anything too real about the past. He hadn't even mentioned his participation in the Clone Wars prior to this meeting with Luke. I would surmise that Ben was filtering the information to Luke as to not overwhelm him with so much responsibility and guilt this early in the reintroduction of the Jedi. I also always thought that perhaps Ben didn't want to tell Luke too much for fear that Vader's use of the Force might detect his son earlier than he did in ESB. Remember, they made Padme look as though she had still been pregnant for her funeral, therefore, Anakin's children were assumed to have perished with her. Upon Vader's meeting Luke in ESB, the connection to them was strong enough for him to realize that Luke was his son. This would seem to be consistent with how Vader read Luke's emotions about Leia in ROTJ, as well. Am I nuts? No, not nuts. I just thought of something; shouldn't Vader have sensed something about Leia being his daughter in Ep. IV? Or would there have needed to be a close connection? I would think not with Vader being so strong in the force regardless he was not Anakin for quite some time.
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Post by Emerita on Jul 22, 2008 19:01:17 GMT -5
I think Vader was so agonized about what he did to Padme that he lost all sense to his life and finding Luke brought him back...but you are right ...he had no prior knowledge of Leia and no connection until he pulled it from Luke....right?
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