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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Sept 20, 2005 14:56:23 GMT -5
Ok in ANH why didn't Obi-wan remember R2?
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Post by kivaanzion on Sept 20, 2005 16:49:53 GMT -5
Well really it's good old George, changing things to fit the latest addition of the Saga. The other glaring discrepancy is Leia's line in ROTJ- that her real mother died when she was very young. But if we had to come up with an answer... Obi-Wan never owned R2, Anakin did; Obi-Wan's astromechs were R4-P17 (AOTC) and R4-G9 (ROTS). Really he didn't have a personal droid all his years on Tatooine- the above astromechs only accompanied him on his missions, and pretty much stayed with his starfighter the whole time. (Now I could be wrong about this next part- but I'm a little too lazy to pop the dvd in )--- Luke never actually tells Ben what R2's number is- he refers to R2 as "this little droid": it could be that there are other astrodroids with the same colour markings as R2, and Ben may not have recognized him. The one reason I think fits best... Ben is still hiding the truth from Luke. He does recognize R2, but is unsure of what's going on and is not prepared to reveal everything to Luke just yet. Ben "acts" interested, but isn't overly excited. He acts as if this is just another lost astrodroid. It isn't until R2 plays Leia's message that Ben becomes "General Kenobi" once again. Look at the expression on Ben's face as the message plays- it appears to me that Ben has a look of: "the moment we have been waiting for all these years has finally come!" Of course for all I've said to work it raises another question- why did R2 claim to be Obi-Wan's property? Well to try and answer that- it was the simplest most straight-forward response to why he had to find Obi-Wan. It would have been a bit too much to say, "I was the property of Anakin Skywalker (your real Father by the way Luke) who was Obi-Wan's student until he became the second most evil guy in the galaxy- and now Anakin (Vader) is going to kill your twin sister (Oops! Guess you didn't know that one either!)- so I have to get the plans of the Death Star to Obi-Wan as he is one of the last two remaining Jedi Knights and the only hope for the galaxy! LOL!
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Post by Andle Di-Ranos on Sept 20, 2005 17:41:20 GMT -5
Well really it's good old George, changing things to fit the latest addition of the Saga. The other glaring discrepancy is Leia's line in ROTJ- that her real mother died when she was very young. But if we had to come up with an answer... Obi-Wan never owned R2, Anakin did; Obi-Wan's astromechs were R4-P17 (AOTC) and R4-G9 (ROTS). Really he didn't have a personal droid all his years on Tatooine- the above astromechs only accompanied him on his missions, and pretty much stayed with his starfighter the whole time. (Now I could be wrong about this next part- but I'm a little too lazy to pop the dvd in )--- Luke never actually tells Ben what R2's number is- he refers to R2 as "this little droid": it could be that there are other astrodroids with the same colour markings as R2, and Ben may not have recognized him. The one reason I think fits best... Ben is still hiding the truth from Luke. He does recognize R2, but is unsure of what's going on and is not prepared to reveal everything to Luke just yet. Ben "acts" interested, but isn't overly excited. He acts as if this is just another lost astrodroid. It isn't until R2 plays Leia's message that Ben becomes "General Kenobi" once again. Look at the expression on Ben's face as the message plays- it appears to me that Ben has a look of: "the moment we have been waiting for all these years has finally come!" Of course for all I've said to work it raises another question- why did R2 claim to be Obi-Wan's property? Well to try and answer that- it was the simplest most straight-forward response to why he had to find Obi-Wan. It would have been a bit too much to say, "I was the property of Anakin Skywalker (your real Father by the way Luke) who was Obi-Wan's student until he became the second most evil guy in the galaxy- and now Anakin (Vader) is going to kill your twin sister (Oops! Guess you didn't know that one either!)- so I have to get the plans of the Death Star to Obi-Wan as he is one of the last two remaining Jedi Knights and the only hope for the galaxy! LOL! I agree, obi wan never owned or had a R2 unit, he always had the red domed R4. Also if you remeber from episode one when the queens ship was escaping Naboo and the hyperdrive was damaged, most of the droids in the room were identical to R2, and besides im sure he has lost some memory of the smaller things he once knew ;D
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Sept 21, 2005 10:29:34 GMT -5
I never thought of that possibality. That he might have actually recongised R2 but was hiding it from Luke.
I guess that always is a possibility. ANd I actually poped in the DVD.. Yes I think I am a crazy nutbar...
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Post by Starkindler (The Naked Jedi) on Sept 27, 2005 23:00:03 GMT -5
and as to Leia's mother dying when she was young......perhaps she didn't know she was adopted and Bail Organa's wife died when she was young........I also don't recall the REAL in her statement...gotta watch it again.
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Post by kivaanzion on Sept 28, 2005 18:47:41 GMT -5
I also don't recall the REAL in her statement...gotta watch it again. Well that was Luke's line just prior to Leia's: "Do you remember your mother? Your real mother?"
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Sept 28, 2005 20:32:24 GMT -5
Yes, the "real mother" line from Luke pretty much tells you that it's common knowledge that Leia is adopted. About Leia remembering her mother....well, I just think that was the Force.
I think that it's terribly likely that Obi-Wan, once he saw Leia's message, might have recognized R2 then and he didn't tell Luke.
But really, how many R2s are there in the galaxy anyway? I doubt that anyone could pick one out from the other. The same for 3PO; I don't think that Owen would automatically recognize 3PO because there must be lots of them around. Like seeing the same model and color of computer you once owned. You wouldn't automatically think it had once been the same one.
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Sept 28, 2005 21:48:44 GMT -5
True sense in ESB threepio ran into another like him.
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Post by Xana on Sept 30, 2005 8:54:21 GMT -5
They answered thsi in the Insider once. That explanation was that droids are like blenders and microwaves. Would you rememebr a blender you owned 20 years ago and feel an emotional attachment to it? Ok, maybe you would, but you see what they were getting at. lol!
And Obi-Wan never owned R2-D2. But I do agree that GL is trying to make things fit now, and it can be inconsistent. I just go with it.
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Oct 1, 2005 3:26:09 GMT -5
I guess thats how it would go.. But how many R2-D2's are there really?
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Post by kivaanzion on Oct 1, 2005 6:24:33 GMT -5
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Post by Solinbeb Newau on Oct 1, 2005 9:45:12 GMT -5
I had always figured that Obi-Wan was assigned droids, but never owned one as they were "property" of the Jedi as a whole.
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Oct 3, 2005 20:29:08 GMT -5
thats true. SO if he never owned a droid is it still possible that he could have remembered r2 and not say anything to Luke?
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Post by Xana on Oct 3, 2005 20:44:00 GMT -5
True. He didn't want Luke to know too much, right?
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Oct 3, 2005 21:05:38 GMT -5
Well he let Luke know certian things based on a point of view...
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