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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Jun 28, 2007 21:41:31 GMT -5
j25mackay: This is a link to the A-Line Tunic Pattern I posted. It's a good pattern, especially if you have hips, but needs to have darts added if you have a bust. In general, the tunics in the movies appear to be two pieces, top and bottom, with the bottom being a curved skirt - presumably this looks better when people move for action scenes.
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Post by Leda EmBorr on Jun 28, 2007 23:28:26 GMT -5
I traced a karate gi onto paper and modified it to make a pattern for a jedi tunic. The sleeves are much longer, and they are tucked, and there are no side slits. I have modified it several times, but that's originally how I made a pattern. I didn't use a store bought one.
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Post by j25mackay on Jun 29, 2007 18:25:59 GMT -5
I appreciate the link Ani, but I am male, so I have no hips and no bust. I went to the local fabric store today and bought Simplicity 5840. It looks pretty good to me. The only really obvious modification that needs to be made is that I want to bring out the sleeves so they hang a little bit more. If anyone else has used this pattern, I would appreciate help with further modifications that might need to be made.
(Hpefully soon to be) Roan Shryne
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Post by Kryy Jacobi on Jun 29, 2007 20:08:03 GMT -5
Roan, Sorry, the darts thing was my bad.... I probably confused things by asking Jenny if she modified the 4450.... Yes, I used the 5840. You will need to make the sleeves wider as well as longer (don't forget to allow sleeve length for the shoulder tuck) -- check this out: [ftp]http://apfoister.proboards9.com/index.cgi?board=TaP&action=display&n=1&thread=934&page=1[/ftp] I ask a ba-zillion questions -- unfortunately, I am a perfectionist who lacks experience -- a very bad combination. But everyone is very helpful! You may or may not want to do the separate "skirt"/apron. It is canon, but I think men can get away with a one piece tunic more easily. Do read the threads thoroughly and perhaps print some for reference as you tackle each piece of your costume.
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Post by j25mackay on Jun 29, 2007 20:51:05 GMT -5
Thanks Master Jacobi,
If you don't mind, I will probably be asking you a few more questions. The first of which would be what is the "Shoulder tuck" you were talking about?
Also, what do people generally use for pants? Do they sew their own? Do they use elastic waistpands or buttons and zippers?
Thanks for all the help guys! I have tried to use the search feature on the forums here, and they don't seem to work very well.
(Hopefully Soon to Be) Roan Shryne.
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Post by AMP on Jun 29, 2007 21:32:12 GMT -5
A little visual aid.
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Post by j25mackay on Jun 30, 2007 14:10:54 GMT -5
It looks to me like his sleeves are part of a separate garment underneath. Is it just represented in costuming by a tucked and hemmed sleeve?
(Hopefully Soon to be) Roan Shryne
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Jun 30, 2007 14:35:24 GMT -5
The sleeve is part of the outer tunic. It just has that extra tuck at the shoulder. The fold of the tabbard on top of that is separate.
True, being male, you won't need darts But in the Obi-Wan picture above, the bottom of his tunic does angle out over the leg on the side. I assume that is to give a full range of motion for fighting. If the side seam of the tunic were straight up and down, then tunic would bunch up when they run or take a wide fighting stance. In karate gis, the side seam is slit for full motion, but for Jedi tunics it's a closed seam that angles out.
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Post by Kryy Jacobi on Jun 30, 2007 15:23:49 GMT -5
More on the shoulder tuck: On a kimono-type garment, such as the Jedi tunic, the shoulder seam (not the front/back seam, but rather the body/sleeve seam) is pretty far down on the arm. As shown on the Obi-Wan pic, there is a tuck at the top of the shoulder that runs front-to-back. Fold the fabric under so that the shoulder seam (the body to sleeve seam) is even with (or better, slightly "under" so it's hidden) the fold. Then you tack it into place so it's hidden under the tabards. I actually sew it down wherever the shoulder seam (the body to sleeve seam) winds up but front to back a couple of inches either side of the other shoulder seam (the body front to back seam). Hope that isn't too confusing. As long as you make the sleeves plenty long and wait to hem them until the tuck is done, you'll be fine. Just try on the tunic and pin the tucks into place and it will make sense. Threads: [ftp]http://apfoister.proboards9.com/index.cgi?board=TaP&action=display&n=1&thread=956[/ftp] [ftp]http://apfoister.proboards9.com/index.cgi?board=TaP&action=display&n=1&thread=909[/ftp] Re: Pants -- it seems most people wear khakis, chinos, etc. Just be sure you don't have any pockets showing, i.e., no cargo pants. But personally, I have to have pockets for my car keys! They just don't show. Re: Search function -- yes, it's a bit limited. If you like LOTS of info, as I do (then I engage in analysis paralysis ) just scroll through the various pages and look at stuff that sounds interesting. You'll find all sorts of "buried treasure". The more recent pages do tend to have more up-to-date info as people have experimented and researched. But if you are not of that personality, many people have done very fine costumes with a minimum of modifications. Since you are not using 4450, I would suggest doing your own tabards and obi using the instructions on this site -- the tutorials and the discussion threads. I'll look in my "reference" notebook for some of my favorites and pass them along. The most important thing is to enjoy the process and then enjoy wearing your own costume. It's fun "playing Jedi". If you ARE of that personality (the analyzer), pop in the AOTC DVD and run the Arena scene in slow-motion and look at all of the costumes and how they "move" and are put together. It will also be "comforting" in that you will see a variety and know that you should do just fine. Kryy
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Post by Kryy Jacobi on Jun 30, 2007 15:51:03 GMT -5
I pretty much only use McCall's 2940 pattern as that's what I started with before there were any other's available. I made my own tabbard and obi patterns. I haven't actually even opened the Simplicity. I have it in case someone in our local group wants to use it. Hmmm... I find it interesting that several ladies made the 4450 w/o modifications.... But I think for my next tunic, I'm going to try the McCall's 2940. It's not that I didn't like the Simplicity 5840, but I want to try something new. And since it does show women on the envelope, maybe the pattern will be a bit more adaptable to the female figure. I think I'll still do the waist seam and separate "skirt".... Thanks for the feedback.
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Post by Leda EmBorr on Jul 1, 2007 17:07:41 GMT -5
For the shoulder tuck, you just make the sleeves way longer and tuck them under at the shoulder. Obi's look to be tucked about 2.5 inches. I like to do mine about 5 inches to give me more padding at the shoulders.
As for pants... Obi-Wan wears dockers, so that's the most convenient piece of the costume to acquire! Some people do make their own pants, though, usually drawstring or elastic waist.
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Post by Granny-Wan on Jul 2, 2007 17:32:48 GMT -5
Hmmm... I find it interesting that several ladies made the 4450 w/o modifications.... Yes, I used 4450 without any major modifications, but I'm a big gal (size 20) so the straight up and down of the tunic didn't bother me... it easily fit over my big hips, so if you're a normal size person of either sex the tunic should have enough flare to it... You can see it here in the group photo, second from the right in the front row... i72.photobucket.com/albums/i184/granny-wan/C4/C4_2007-05_308.jpgAlso, the pattern includes the shoulder tuck and the sleeves are wide enough... I thought the hems on the sleeves were way too small and would look bad, but I ended up needing deep hems to make the sleeves fit properly... I need to make a new undertunic styled after the Ep. I costumes... I'm using the dickey from the pattern sewn to a t-shirt and it is too hot around my neck... Any pattern suggestions for a V-neck shirt with long sleeves?
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Post by Kryy Jacobi on Jul 2, 2007 18:46:33 GMT -5
I've made 2 undertunics of cotton gauze using McCall's #4007, which is a woman's blouse, not a costume pattern. See discussion here: [ftp]http://apfoister.proboards9.com/index.cgi?board=TaP&action=display&n=1&thread=963&page=3[/ftp] The first one I made using the size recommended for my measurements. The second I made using the next size smaller, but I didn't put in the back darts. The second one fits MUCH better, especially to go neatly under the outer tunic. (It's the dark brown one in my membership photo.) But the fabric -- cotton gauze -- is much stretchier than was probably intended for the pattern. I assume that's why the smaller size worked better. I actually like a full undertunic -- my favorite costumes to wear are like real clothes but with lots of fabric and drape. That's one reason the Jedi costume is so appealing. Master Kai also suggests FolkWear #111, Nepali Blouse: [ftp]http://apfoister.proboards9.com/index.cgi?board=TaP&action=display&n=1&thread=979&page=1[/ftp] Those 2 links (the McCall's 4007 and Folkwear 111) are discussion for a woman's undertunic; this is a good general thread on undertunics: apfoister.proboards9.com/index.cgi?board=TaP&action=display&n=1&thread=963&page=1
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Post by Granny-Wan on Jul 2, 2007 19:26:04 GMT -5
Wow, thank you so much, Kryy... I read all your posts on using the McCalls pattern, and I think I will try that one... I love the way your undertunic looks in your membership photo... How much longer did you make the sleeves? That is, how much beyond your wrists do they go before they're bunched up? I was thinking about 6 inches... when you say you cut the lower half of the sleeves crosswise, did you use the pattern piece, or did you just cut a rectangle of fabric? I'm planning on using a lightweight gauze fabric since I get hot easily... at C-IV I ended up taking off the t-shirt/dickey combination mid-day.... not an easy trick to do since I can't take off my belt by myself.... LOL
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Post by Jauhzmynn Enz on Jul 2, 2007 21:50:12 GMT -5
FOr under tunic sleeves, I only make them down to the tip of my middle finger. (total length from wrist to finger tip-5 inches). They can only be 3 or 4 inches longer than your wrist and it'll look good.
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