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Post by jason1976 on Sept 24, 2005 17:17:38 GMT -5
Here's how I see it. Only the tabards in ep 1 where strata, and they looked awful, IMHO. The ones in ep 2 and 3 have.... well...... for lack of a better word, "curve" in them. The "curves" allow them to lay more naturally. They still have excess material above the obi, but not quite as much.
If you need proof, look very closely, at a high res pic of Obi-wan's tabards in ep 2 or 3. bellow the obi, the ribs in the fabric on the tabards line up very well with the edges of the tabards themselves. (there strata there) Then look above the obi, the ribs in the fabric, run right off the sides of the tabards. (there curved there)
So, for those of you that have curved tabards, How are thay curved? In other words if you laid them (the hole tabards) flat on a table or something like that, where are the curves? Just at the wast? Or, at the sholders too?
Jason
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Post by Leda EmBorr on Sept 24, 2005 18:19:16 GMT -5
You mean like they come from his shoulders, go under the obi at an angle, but then come out straight?
I made my tabbards straight and then angled them under the obi where you can't see it. I used to pin them that way, then I just sewed them and cut the extra fabric off. So they're not curved, they're angled.
Actually that gauze fabric lends itself well to curves, that's why I like working with it so much, it's much easier to sew... especially the neckline!
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Post by jason1976 on Sept 25, 2005 8:58:04 GMT -5
Yeah, your kind of on the right track. I said, curves, but it could be angled. I just mean that they go into the obi at an angle, and come out strait. But if you look at Obi's EP 2 and 3 tabards the ribs in the fabric, really do run off the edges above the obi, and not bellow. It's almost like they took a strata pieces of paper and made strait tabard patterns, then cut and angled them, where they would be under the obi. (kind of like you did) Then used the paper tabards to cut an angled version out of fabric. In other words, I think his EP 2 and 3 tabards are angled just like yours, but his where cut out that way.
I think, Justin's leather Anakin EP 2 tabards have an angle where they would be covered by the obi.
Jason
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Sept 25, 2005 10:06:45 GMT -5
Actually, the curve in Obi-Wan's tabards could be due to the fabric shaping itself around his shoulders. We now know that the tunic fabric has a stretchy weave. Fabric with a stretch will curve around the body, even if it's cut straight. The edge of the tabards on the shoulder next to the neck may have curled under to make it look curved. They may have been cut with a little bit of a curve, but like I said, it isn't supposed to LOOK curved.
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Post by Primrodo on Sept 25, 2005 12:56:46 GMT -5
Jason that is correct, the picture is not of mine but they show what I mean: As for Obi-Wan I don;t know...but stretchy fabric will also go straight if a rectangle is made. The big difference is the billow on the waist above the obi, Episode 1 Jedi had a much more billowed look keeping the tabards straight below the belt...however in Episodes 2 and 3 they are flatter against his body, that says there is a curve or an angle within the tabard itself.
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Post by Seda Navilli on Sept 25, 2005 14:20:46 GMT -5
My tabbards have an annoying knack of trying to make a V shape, because they arent curved, and I have to keep adjusting them. But Obi Wan's tabbards could have been straight; the biggest difference between crinkle cotton/gauze and the movie fabrics is weight - although the crinkle cotton looks very accurate, it is far lighter than the movie stuff, and therefore tends to stay straight if its cut that way, but Obi Wan's fabric would have the weight to stay reasonably straight, as long as it was tucked into the obi the right way. You can see little clues to this in many of the pics floating around - his tabards have gathered outside edges above the obi, and you can see that the ends are trying to make that V shape - but the weight keeps them in line. The episode I material was a great deal lighter than the other prequels, and sat differently. Of course this is totally different with Anakins tabbards, and I am pretty sure that his had the curve, but thats because leather sits very different to the material in Obi Wan's tabbards. That would be why Anakin also has the shoulder seams on his tabbards. Makes sense to me...
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Post by jason1976 on Sept 26, 2005 5:04:20 GMT -5
OK, OK, here's some images I dug up, and some diagrams I wipped up last night. (I know, I know, my diagrams stink, and they are slightly exaggerated to make my points. :lol) [ftp]members.aol.com:/jedimasterjpb7/tabards/strait[/ftp] Strait tabards (though I haven't illustrated it well) tend to bunch up too much on top of the obi. Especially on the outside edge. Plus if obis EP 2 and 3 tabards were strait, the ribs in the fabric would not run off the edge of the tabards above the waste only. [ftp]members.aol.com:/jedimasterjpb7/tabards/angled[/ftp] Angled Tabards would fit the slope of a persons shoulders, and not gather, any where close, to as much as the strait. [ftp]members.aol.com:/jedimasterjpb7/tabards/curved[/ftp] Curved tabards tend to set flat on the shoulders, where most peoples shoulders are slopped. This my seem odd, but if you look at the PICS bellow, you will see that it would account for why his tabards have the ribs running off the edge, and also why the set the closest to his body when his shoulders are setting falter. [ftp]members.aol.com:/jedimasterjpb7/tabards/ep3[/ftp] In this PIC you can see how the ribs in the fabric run off the edge of the fabric above the belt, but not bellow. [ftp]members.aol.com:/jedimasterjpb7/tabards/insider[/ftp] [ftp]members.aol.com:/jedimasterjpb7/tabards/inside2[/ftp] In these PICS, you can see how perfectly the tabard fit his body, when is shoulders are rased to make more of a strait line across. Many of you have start tabards, Justin has just posted PICS of the angled, and I, and some others have made there own versions of the curved. (I'll have to dig up some PICS of mine) My fabric was much heavier then crinkle cloth, and it had deeper grooves, much like obi's EP 2 and 3 costume. Unfortunately, my fabric stretched too much, and it went from a perfect fit, to being able to fit a sumo reseller Now I'm working on my second version. The fabric I have chosen for it is.... well..... let's just say it's different It's a very unusual Corduroy, It's very soft, and has large, shallow ribs, that nicely simulate the fabric obi wore in EP 2 and 3. It is a little to dark for a standard obi, but it's perfect for the color of his outfit after he fought Anakin in EP 3. I know, I know, his fabric wasn't anywhere close to corduroy, and that i's weathered in the movie, and not a different outfit, I'm not that dum. I just chose this fabric because it has a great drape, and it should ware like steel. Jason
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Post by Olos Nay on Sept 26, 2005 10:47:12 GMT -5
the curvature in the tabbards would be to agrement a jedi with larger breast... my better half will need a curved set of tabbards, while I wont. see apfoister.proboards9.com/index.cgi?board=TaP&action=display&n=1&thread=940 - I didn't make any curvature, only STRAIGHT tabbards, and the shoulders are perfect. I would however angle the section where it goes in the obi for easier placement, but I can place it OK if I need to.
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Post by Primrodo on Sept 26, 2005 11:52:19 GMT -5
The problem with a curve in the tabard is that it runs against the grain of the fabric, whereas Obi-Wan's does not.
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Post by jason1976 on Sept 26, 2005 12:11:41 GMT -5
OK, I went back and looked closely at my EP 2 DVD and I now have know doubt in my mind, that Obi's EP 2 tabards are made just like the ones Justin posted a PIC of above. (just without the part that hangs bellow the obi in the back, and without a shoulder seem)
It's a little hard to explain how I know it, and I'm probably going to loose most of you on this, but here goes. The ribs on the part that hangs down bellow the obi, line up, pretty much, with the edges of the tabards. Then in the front, above the obi, the ribs run off the edge of the tabards. In the V made by the tabards the ribs run off pointing up. So that mensa that they start strait at the very bottom, and then the patter angles as it comes out of the Obi, and goes up to the shoulders. (It makes it V better)
Now that description would be true weather they were curved, or angled. The proof that they are Angled is in the back. If they where curved the back would match the front (above the obi of cause) in that the ribs would run off the fabric, kind of, up word into the V, in the back. However, they don't, the ribs run off the tabards kind of downwards in to the V, in the back. That means they were made kind of like this.
[ftp]members.aol.com:/jedimasterjpb7/tabards/angled[/ftp]
I'll try to get some PICS to show what I'm talking about soon.
Jason
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Post by Seda Navilli on Sept 26, 2005 12:14:46 GMT -5
The problem with a curve in the tabard is that it runs against the grain of the fabric, whereas Obi-Wan's does not. Yeah, and many of the promo pics seem to support the idea of straight tabbards in the way they sit - If it wasnt such a pain to upload pics to my hosting site I'd post closeups... EDIT: If there is a curve in Obi's tabbards, it would have to be very slight, because of the way that the bunch up above his belt. Note how the bunching is only on one side; And since we all know how decieving promo pics can be, I took a look at the C3 pics as well and there is more of the same (i think this might be one of yours, Justin ) As for the grain of the fabric - in some pics it looks like its perfectly straight, and in others it seems to be angled, but the thing to remember with this is that the tabbards were thick - if they were rolled slightly to one side (especially at the shoulders or when a robe is worn) then the fabric will look like its going in a different direction. Still tricky to pinpoint thogh.
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Post by jason1976 on Sept 26, 2005 13:39:39 GMT -5
The problem with a curve in the tabard is that it runs against the grain of the fabric, whereas Obi-Wan's does not. That's exactly what I've been trying to say, his tabards do run against the grain, above the obi. Checkout these PICS from the movie. I've highlighted a few of the ribs in the fabric, to help illustrate my point, that the ribs do indeed run off the edge of the tabards, above the obi. [ftp]members.aol.com:/jedimasterjpb7/tabards/front[/ftp] [ftp]members.aol.com:/jedimasterjpb7/tabards/back1[/ftp] [ftp]members.aol.com:/jedimasterjpb7/tabards/back2[/ftp] [ftp]members.aol.com:/jedimasterjpb7/tabards/back3[/ftp] Jason
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Post by jason1976 on Sept 26, 2005 13:53:34 GMT -5
I think the angle is a slight one, but I am convinced that it is there.
Yes, They do still bunch a little above the obi, and yes, the grain does slant a lot in the same direction as the tabards, but it also, most certainly runs off the edge too. I've looked at the movies, the promo's, the CII stuff, magazines, and more, for the last 8 months, and I'm convinced that there angled like Anakin's. (just without a shoulder seem, and the part hanging down bellow the obi, in the back)
Jason
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Post by Olos Nay on Sept 26, 2005 14:33:01 GMT -5
problem with your pictures is that the angle is the same in the whole section, thus no curve in the upper tabbards. Maybe an angle at the obi, but no curvature at the top section.
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Post by jason1976 on Sept 27, 2005 8:30:31 GMT -5
problem with your pictures is that the angle is the same in the whole section, thus no curve in the upper tabbards. Maybe an angle at the obi, but no curvature at the top section. ARG, I know, that's what I'm saying! I'm convinced that Obi-wan's tabards start out strait at about his knees, go strait up to the obi, then angle under the obi, then go strait at that angle, ageist the grain. Not curved, not strait. Kind of like this: [ftp]members.aol.com:/jedimasterjpb7/tabards/angled[/ftp] Or just look at the PIC that Justin posted above, and you'll see what I'm trying to describe. Jason
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