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Post by Xana on Sept 29, 2002 14:06:56 GMT -5
Thanks, Schph........... will look it up!
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Post by vongbait on Feb 16, 2003 23:10:20 GMT -5
I know this is an old topic but the timeing is right and some of the informations listed didn't fit for me. I am rereading all the books I have in order starting with the Jedi Apprentice books. I have found that there is at least a 10+ year gap between the fall of Xanatos and the rise of Obi-Wan. In Day Of Reckoning (book 8) Ch 2 it was 10 years sense Qui-Gon had been on Telos (Xanatos's home world). In Xanatos's last Apprentice mission he left Qui-Gon for power and his father. I am taking a little leap to say that how I read the earlier books, Qui-Gon had to go back to Telos to face Xanatos and his father, killing his father. So in my opinion there was no time to have a previous Apprentice. I haven't made it back to book 11 yet but I should in a day or two. I only wanted to clarify the timing better.
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Post by Schph Gochi on Feb 17, 2003 6:11:57 GMT -5
Ahhh...you will love the Jedi Apprentice series....I can guarantee that!
...and no topic is ever old here at TJA ;D
When you get to the the book and page number that I mentioned a couple posts back, let me know what you think.
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Post by vongbait on Feb 25, 2003 6:51:36 GMT -5
I am glad I did decide to reread the All my SW books. I compleatly forgot the Tahl - Qui Gon flash backs in The Death Of Hope. I did see what Schph-Gochi mentioned. Through those flash backs Xanatos is sealed as Qui Gon's first Apprentice.
As far as the term "earlier successes" used it the first book. Even when I first read this series I thought they were with Xanatos. You can have earlier success with someone before they turn on you. But to have called Xanatos, Qui Gon's failure (I Know he accused himself of being a failure) is wrong. It was Xanatos who was the failure.
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Post by Ryss Fal-Orran on May 4, 2003 16:27:20 GMT -5
As we were leaving the library today, I was glancing over the boxes of used books for sale that sit right outside...they usually only have some stuff I'm not interested in, but this time I spotted Jedi Apprentice #1 and #2....so I got them. Best part is, they were only 25 cents each! *grins*
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Post by Schph Gochi on May 5, 2003 12:35:59 GMT -5
Such a deal!
I went to the semi-annual booksale at our local libraray a couple weeks ago....they didn't have diddly....
No Star Wars at all..... they did have a little Star Trek...
see...people tend to hang on to their Star Wars stuff!
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Post by Caan-Jaal Noldorin on May 18, 2003 23:32:07 GMT -5
OK. Maybe this will shed some light on this lasting question for you. Obi-Wan is Qui-Gon's THIRD apprentice. What follows is a direct quote from the EP 1 Visual Dictionary
"Qui-Gon earned the rank of Master when he trained his first Padawan apprentice to Knighthood, although his second apprentice failed to become a Knight. Obi-Wan is Qui-Gon's third Padawan and a worthy student of his wisdom and skill."
So, as the great Yoda said, "There is another."
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Post by Schph Gochi on May 19, 2003 7:02:43 GMT -5
Wow.....how did I miss that?
Will have to check that out.....
Thanks! ;D
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Post by Xana on May 20, 2003 21:34:00 GMT -5
Woah! A real answer! Thanks! I am going to have to look at that.
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Post by Leda EmBorr on Jun 24, 2003 23:23:38 GMT -5
I guess a few inconsistencies might be expected in such a large universe!
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Post by Schph Gochi on Jun 25, 2003 8:35:06 GMT -5
I guess a few inconsistencies might be expected in such a large universe! lol sooooooooooo true!
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Post by Sunn on Sept 30, 2003 3:28:03 GMT -5
Hmmmmmm.... did I come in late! LOL! Yes this is a puzzle..... let me think..... All the facts leading up are true.... On both ends. I checked them ALL out and um.... well..... I just as confused as anyone else.... Let's access the Qui-Gon age/timeline. He's sixty.... minus 12 equals 48. Now subtract 10 (which was discussed as the gap between Qui-Gon's trips to Telos) is 38. Thinking logically, Qui-Gon was about 24 or maybe a little younger when Knighted. Correct? Using the basis that he'd have a Padawan for like 12 years. (That's how long he had Obi-Wan) We must also consider that Obi-Wan had not taken his trials when Qui-Gon died, so the twelve years could have been longer. So he had time age-wise for 3 Padawans. Now we must find out if he did or not. *takes a pen and sticks in mouth while thinking* I have read elsewhere that Qui-Gon had two Apprentices before Obi-Wan. (Information from a 365-day calender I got right after Phantom Menace came out) So...... we have a possibilty that the writer for Jedi Apprentice was inconsistant. Sadly enough. Another scenario could be the before mentioned.... inconsistancy between writers/publishers/editors. Which is even more sad!!!! I don't mean to preach.... but I'm only offering an opinion. *straightens glasses on face* Hope I wasn't offensive or anything.... just trying to help ya'll understand and myself!!!! SJ. P.S. Okay... I don't really wear glasses. I was insinuating that I was a geek! Hee! Hee!
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Post by Schph Gochi on Sept 30, 2003 5:21:17 GMT -5
soooooo...... which one do we want to use as "canon"?..... my guess would be the Visual Dictionary...
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Post by Jedimom/Cor-Al Gelkar on Sept 30, 2003 7:03:11 GMT -5
Hmmm... the Visual Dictionary has had afew inconsistencies as well. I think the VD is good for costume refernecsm props, etc. but not entirely true to storyline.
I think we should try to find what Lucas has to say. Any mention of Padawans on the Official Site? I will go searching later today. Take the official site's word fist an then maybe Jedi Apprentice after that if we can't find anything.
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Post by Jedimom/Cor-Al Gelkar on Sept 30, 2003 7:23:42 GMT -5
Aha! Here's what the Official Site says:
"Jinn was long hesitant to take on a Padawan learner, given his failure with his second student. Xanatos was the son of Crion, the wealthiest man on the planet Telos. He had a very high midi-chlorian count in his bloodstream, prompting Jinn to take him as an apprentice. Crion reluctantly agreed to let his son leave for Jedi training.
Although Xanatos' talents were undeniable, his high birth and attitude often led to clashes with his fellow students. For Xanatos' final test, Jedi Master Yoda sent him and Qui-Gon back to Telos, where a civil war was brewing. Xanatos' father implored his son to join his forces in a bid to control the planet. Xanatos agreed and Qui-Gon found himself at war with his own student. Jinn was forced to kill Crion in battle, and an enraged Xanatos battled his mentor. Though Qui-Gon defeated Xanatos, he could not bear to kill his own Padawan. The defeated student fled and Qui-Gon obsessed over his failure for years, dismissing his earlier successes as a teacher and often referring to Xanatos as his "first" apprentice.
Although he vowed to never again train a Padawan, Qui-Gon eventually formed a connection with an adolescent Obi-Wan Kenobi on a mission to Bandomeer. Yoda wished for Obi-Wan to become Qui-Gon's third apprentice. Eventually, Qui-Gon was able to overcome his grief, and took Kenobi as his Padawan. The path was by no means smooth, as their relationship suffered when Obi-Wan briefly abandoned the Jedi Order to help end a civil war on Melida/Daan. Eventually, and uneasily, the two reunited. They would grow to become a formidable team."
So it clearly states Xanatos was his second student
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