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Post by Nam Eless on Sept 25, 2007 1:34:47 GMT -5
Having worn Chain Mail & Plate, this is light in comparison. While it's not flowing as robes, this is still a sensible outfit for one going into combat. Not sure how it would protect against Light Sabers. Also any idea if the back peice is part of a coat or a cloak ? I think it's a cloak, just not sure.
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Sept 25, 2007 21:53:13 GMT -5
I think a coat or cloak would just be under the back piece; I think the armor would be separate from that. And I don't think there is any defense against a lightsaber, short of a shield generator. And that would prevent you from using the saber in the first place.
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Post by Solinbeb Newau on Sept 26, 2007 7:32:30 GMT -5
I think a coat or cloak would just be under the back piece; I think the armor would be separate from that. And I don't think there is any defense against a lightsaber, short of a shield generator. And that would prevent you from using the saber in the first place. Unless you go the cortois armor route...
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Post by Bryanakin on Oct 10, 2007 15:39:01 GMT -5
This reminds me of the Clone Trooper commander skirts. Try making a sleeveless vest that closes in the front and has an extended skirt in the back. A full half circle cut would create that look in the picture. A straight cut or even an A-line cut would not produce the same effect.
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Post by Hey Mods Delete My Posts on Jan 5, 2008 23:23:46 GMT -5
In canon material phrik metal also stops lightsabers. It was strong stuff. Very rare, very expensive. There was a box made of it on Alderaan that survived it's destruction by the Death Star.
That aside, I have no problem with Jedi wearing armour. As a trained swordsmen outside of Star Wars goofing off I know how easily one wrong move can mean you're dead if you're unprotected. Also, when in combat even if you're dodging everything lethal there's plenty of just getting knocked around. Even if it's just a thin sheet of plastic between you and the ground it's a lot better than nothing but some fluffy clothes. Also getting punched or kicked while sword fighting really isn't all that uncommon, and if you've got metal strapped to your body they'll just hurt themselves instead of you when they do it.
One thing with armour made for functionality over looks, I can't stress the value of wrist spikes. I commonly grapple while sword fighting, because most people just don't know how to react. Most people, even those who are trained, aren't used to get punched, kicked, or grabbed ahold of all that much because most people just don't do it. I used to be in a group where we'd make safe weapons out of foam and PVC and have full out war, and I was know to grab arms, shirts, and even pull peoples weapons right out of their hands and then be able to take my time for an aimed kill shot, all while on the field. Simply getting stabbed in the back while you're fighting one on one is pretty common too. My chain mail kept me in the game more times than I can count.
I plan to get a full set of Stormtrooper armour soon, and I figure when I wear my Jedi costume I'll put on the armor sans helmet and toss on the belt, tabards, and the cloak from my Jedi costume to have a more combat orientated Jedi.
Oh, and to those who don't think the Jedi would wear armour, it just doesn't seem like them, from what I've seen they really do try to avoid fighting as much as possible, they prefer to be diplomats and stop fighting as much as possible. But in the Star Wars universe it's a lot like the American old west. Everyone's got a gun, and it makes everyone else need one too. But, when the Jedi go to war like the Genndy Tartokovsky Clone Wars series and they know there's no talking them out of it they seem to pretty commonly wear armour. Armour just makes sense in war. Not so much in everyday life though.
I think I just wrote a novel.
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Post by Cozmo on Jan 7, 2008 0:45:19 GMT -5
I agree with you, Admiral.
Consider the battle on Geonosis. If the Jedi rescuing Obi-Wan and crew had been wearing armour, the odds of survival would likely have been improved greatly, especially considering that all of the Jedi killed were done in by blaster fire. It's entirely possible that, had they been wearing armor, they might not have been killed, and though wounded, may have lived to see another battle. When you go into a situation like that, you do your best to cover your weaknesses.
Yes, they are Jedi, and yes, they can largely deflect blaster shots, but when you consider the overwhelming number of enemy they were facing, sooner or later a lucky (yes, I know Jedi don't believe in luck) shot would get through. Wearing armor during war is just the smart thing to do, even for Jedi.
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Post by KaiRhann on Jan 9, 2008 15:44:52 GMT -5
I've always been an advocate of armor. For the Jedi, like all warriors, one would consider protective gear--based on one's current mission. The Clone Wars were certainly a period that armor would be advisable. Personally, I think that--for instance--bracers lend an interesting effect to basic garb...
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Post by Cozmo on Jan 9, 2008 16:53:37 GMT -5
Yes, kind of like what Aragorn wears in LOTR, right? Or, like what you've got going on in the picture in your sig...
I always thought those were practical, and especially with lightsabers, they'll keep your sleeves from getting cut up.
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Post by KaiRhann on Jan 10, 2008 9:21:29 GMT -5
Yes, precisely. The bracers certainly keep sleeves out of the way.
As for materials, at least in the Star Wars Galaxy, we've seen items made from materials that resist lightsaber cuts...such as the electrostaves carried by Greivous' guards. I've read that those are made from Phrik (phrikite...sp?) which is not cut by sabers. It's also been credited in some of the KOTOR games that certain materials withstand sabers.
Of course, Jedi in large scale battles in the clone wars were faced with blasters--not sabers. There are plenty of materials that are blaster resistant, that are not hard armor--such as blast vests, and second skin armor, the latter being an expanded univers item from the novels or games.
All in all, costuming-wise, it's up to the individual I suppose. I've seen a few armor additions to people's garb, even replicas of Obi Wan's Clone Wars armor. I personally would like to see more of that...
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Post by reajobykmas on Jan 10, 2008 12:54:06 GMT -5
The armor in question was in one of the SW RPG sourcebooks. I'm none too crazy about the design, but given it's source I would consider it cannon. Personally, as far as Jedi armor goes, I plan on building this....
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Post by Ky-Wan Zann on Jan 12, 2008 0:15:49 GMT -5
Glad to see Order 66 didn't claim you Master Jerra
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Post by KaiRhann on Jan 14, 2008 13:59:46 GMT -5
Yes...thank The Force for assignments in the Outer Rim at the time... Good to see you too, Ky-Wan...
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Post by Ky-Wan Zann on Jan 21, 2008 3:09:56 GMT -5
*nods* I still look for you on AIM but I imagine your probably very busy at home.
Don't worry one of these days we'll have a mission together
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Post by Cozmo on Feb 11, 2008 13:24:38 GMT -5
Just found this today:
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Post by Jauhzmynn Enz on Feb 12, 2008 13:15:14 GMT -5
I agree on mobility, but there is blaster resistant cloth that the clothing could be made of, and several types of alloys to use to protect limbs from sabers if need be. or even chest plates for blaster fire.
To improve mobility, you train with a peice of armour a little heavier than what you'd wear, then when you have your normal weight pieces on, you'll fly. :-) They just do the limitations in the RPGs and vid games so players can be uber invincable and unstoppable.
Here's what I'd do. I'd have a set of jedi type clothing made from a blaster resistant cloth, a heavier weight resistant cloth for the over robe. Thrick alloy and /or a crotosis weave vambraces. I think some o the blaster/lightsaber resistant ores could be woven into clothing,and still feel and move like cloth. I'd have the over tunic's body, tabbords and obi made of it.
Thrick alloy toed boots.(inside them). :-D And train HARD for endurance and speed not just strength. Physical and force powers. my adage, If you can't out punch 'em out last 'em.
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