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Post by Leda EmBorr on Jun 12, 2012 7:31:06 GMT -5
So why is Yoda the only Jedi who can use it? Is it like the lightsaber style Vaapad where to use it would bring one too close to the dark side, and to teach it would be too risky?
I read once that Yoda's species is capable of absorbing massive amounts of energy... It was a story about Yaddle saving a planet.. don't recall the title.
Could the fact that it come naturally to him be the reason he's able to harness it without crossing to the dark side? Dark-siders of other species are able to use it, why not Jedi of other species?
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Post by Jedimom/Cor-Al Gelkar on Jun 12, 2012 11:41:42 GMT -5
Well, we know that Vader was unable to produce Force Lightning because he had no hands.
I read the new Darth Plagueis novel and it said something about Force Lightning:
"A Jedi sufficiently strong in the Force can be trained to produce a facsimile, but not true Sith lightning, which, unabated, has the power not only to incapacitate or kill, but to physically transform the victim. Force lightning requires strength of a sort only a Sith can command because we accept consequence and reject compassion. To do so requires a thirst for power that is not easily satisfied. The Force tries to resist the callings of ravenous spirits; therefore it must be broken and made a beast of burden. It must be made to answer one's will. But the Force cannot be treated deferentially. In order to summon and use lightning properly, you will someday have to be on the receiving end of its power, as a means of taking the energy inside yourself."
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Post by Leda EmBorr on Jun 12, 2012 13:17:05 GMT -5
I've been wanting to read that. I haven't had the chance to pick it up yet... I might try my local library.
Yoda only used it as a defensive retaliation against Dooku, and also defensively against Palpatine. But I think would call that Force lightning, not Sith. Makes sense that the Sith would call it a facsimile.
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Post by Jedimom/Cor-Al Gelkar on Jun 12, 2012 13:28:56 GMT -5
Did Yoda use it? I thought he just reflected Dooku's back at him.
If he did, I think only Yoda would be strong enough in the Force to be able to produce it.
Darth Plagueis is a great book. Best I've read in a while, BUT not the game-changer as many people say it is. There is a lot of politics in th ebook and not a lot of action, but it does show some good insights into the Sith
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Post by Leda EmBorr on Jun 12, 2012 13:42:20 GMT -5
Dooku threw it first and then Yoda absorbed it. But then if I remember correctly Yoda initiated a throwback... he didn't just deflect it back. With Palpy I think all he did was deflect it whenever it came at him. I'll have to watch those scenes again.
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Post by Jedimom/Cor-Al Gelkar on Jun 12, 2012 13:43:26 GMT -5
Okay. I can see that from Yoda. Again, I think he would be the only Jedi who could do it.
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Post by Starkindler (The Naked Jedi) on Jun 12, 2012 17:46:20 GMT -5
watch Yoda's face in the battle with Palpitane...you'll see a change come over Yoda as he uses the "lightning" and as he stops.....my personal opinion is that Yoda could have taken Palpy out but only by submitting to the Dark side himself....he chose not to.
remember his words to Luke all those years later on Dagobah? "Once you start down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny, consume you it will..."
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Post by Leda EmBorr on Jun 13, 2012 12:37:37 GMT -5
Interesting point. I noticed the change of expression. Interesting though how palpy got deformed with Mace but not any more with Yoda. And Yoda didn't get deformed at all. He stopped before crossing that line.
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Post by Orion Knight-Star on Jun 13, 2012 16:15:55 GMT -5
I think Yoda channel it and force it into Force Lightning of his own.
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Jun 13, 2012 22:38:03 GMT -5
Yeah, I think Yoda only diverted Sith lightning, not created it.
I like to think that Jedi deliberately don't use Sith lightning because it is so uncontrolled. The power they use is channeled through the lightsaber. And while a lightsaber is technology, I like to think that Jedi never has to re-charge the batteries because the power from it does come from the Force.
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Post by firebatt on Jun 14, 2012 2:28:53 GMT -5
this thread reminded me of something i read awhile back researching plo koon. apparently he could use a technique called"electric judgement" from wookiepedia: starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Electric_Judgmentso it's possible yoda could use the same technique to redirect the force lightning back to dooku. of course the argument can be made that yoda used the force to manipulate the lightning like any other object. if i remember correctly, he didn't really touch the lightning.....just balled it up with his force power and threw it back.
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Post by Leda EmBorr on Jun 14, 2012 6:58:00 GMT -5
Dooku threw it first and then Yoda absorbed it. But then if I remember correctly Yoda initiated a throwback... he didn't just deflect it back. With Palpy I think all he did was deflect it whenever it came at him. I'll have to watch those scenes again. Ok, I stand corrected... Yoda did just deflect it back to Dooku. Like a game of catch with the Force lightning.. lol! The difference there is that Yoda deflected it with himself, not a lightsaber like Obi-Wan had to do. But does his ability to do that have to do with his species? His strength in the Force? or both? Probably both. I suspect he would be the only Jedi strong enough to be able to generate it... Then there's Plo Koon.... interesting article. In the screenshot there his "electric judgement" looks orange. "...It showed up as yellow or green energy instead of blue or white, but otherwise it was very similar in both appearance and usage to the Force power known as Force lightning. This power was uncommon and controversial among the Jedi because of its intrinsic association with anger and aggression."Also, it kinda makes sense that if one could use the Force to push an object, that burst of energy, if strong enough, could escalate into something that's visible. But is that really what Force lightning is? An extra strong Force push? or is it something more? something completely different?
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Post by firebatt on Jun 14, 2012 11:19:45 GMT -5
i find it interesting that force lightning is the only ability to my knowledge, that can be physically manifested. every other power is essentially invisible. so if you go by the sources jedi can use force lightning...but choose to not use it because of it's dangerous nature. and when it comes down to it, isn't force lightning cheating? being "unnatural" force lightning is something that most jedi decline to use because the power can physically harm the victim and even be turned against the user. that's why we only see the sith use it in the films.
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Post by Starkindler (The Naked Jedi) on Jun 14, 2012 20:37:31 GMT -5
It seems to me that: The Jedi use light sabers....focused energy under control...a natural complement to their discipline. AND Sith use Force Lightning....unfocused, indiscriminate, "raw" energy...a natural outpouring of their nature.
Even when using light sabers of their own Sith seem to do so because Force lightning can be easily deflected by a jedi with a saber.
Force-Lightning is showy, overboard, and ego centered....most un-Jedi like. I believe they could use it, if strong enough, but simply choose to learn other, more useful, skills.
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