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Post by Jauhzmynn Enz on Feb 4, 2005 14:43:24 GMT -5
Hey all.
Just a little think tank thread. Everyone's welcome to dive in, The water's great. :-D Noone needs to be proficiant in the sciences, only willing to gab and chat on the impressions they've gotten.
If the force exsists how does it actually 'operate"? On what level?
I figued it had to have been on the quantum physcisw levels or a little deper sicne the 'feild' virtually pentetraites all things. There are over ten dimentions that we know of. First four we 'inhabit' the other 6-7 are in relms or so small we can't access them at this point in time with current technology. Only mathmatical models show they exsist.
I think the force would have to do with super string theory becasue fo the nature of HOW Jedi move things, see intothe future, tap into the energy feild and sense when there's something wrong.
My theory holds to super string theory. . Definition of super strings: Extremely small(possibly atomic small or smaller) 'filaments of energy, possibly the 'dark matter' that fills 90% of the univeres.
These small packets or filaments of energy are all over the place. A webbing if you will, a laticework covering the entrie universe. Planets, star systems even people create 'dimples' in this webbing. The strings also transverse THROUGH things. Alive or not. It may possibly be known as "Dark Matter". Without the strings/dark matter, this entire construct will self destruct.
These things have a harmonyto them, si something is out of whack the sound is messed up. The 'I sense a disturbnace in the force." line seems to lend to catching a stray 'bad note' from a distance.
Now the Jedi seem to play along the webbing, to farsee and move things. Is it possible they'er playing with the multitude of super strings?
Just a theoryto chuck out intothe wild blue younder. If anyone has any more theories or something to add to this one, feel free to dive on into thsi little think tank of mine. :-)
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Post by Jedimom/Cor-Al Gelkar on Feb 4, 2005 16:56:29 GMT -5
Have you read the thesis on TF.N regarding midi-chlorians? I'll try to find the link...
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Post by Jedimom/Cor-Al Gelkar on Feb 4, 2005 16:57:30 GMT -5
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Post by Jauhzmynn Enz on Feb 4, 2005 17:33:11 GMT -5
Yep, but I'll reread it.
<Goes off to read article.>
hehe well watta' ya' think fo that? :-D a litle creepy huh? The sort of shivers going down the spine creepy. Interesting theory hwo GL used known knowledge and worked it into his mythos. Very cool.
Fearfully and wonderfully created. God did an amazing job. So even now scientists don't know fully what Mitochondria actually do, but there'sa reason for'em. I've noticed that some foods can cause a sluggish feeling in the body. I bet it hampers the mitocohondria production fo energy in some manner. Guess they'er not too keen on peanut butter.:-D
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Post by Jedimom/Cor-Al Gelkar on Feb 4, 2005 17:51:31 GMT -5
This statement gets to the heart of the problem:
"Here's the paradox: if midi-chlorians are a microscopic life-form, and if life couldn't exist without them, then where did midi-chlorians come from? How did they become part of "all" cells? How did life exist before their coming into being? Qui-Gon tells Anakin that without midi-chlorians, life could not exist. The problem with that statement is that life flourishes across the galaxy on millions of worlds in the Star Wars saga, all of which possess midi-chlorians. Did midi-chlorians arise spontaneously on ALL worlds then, "infecting" every lifeform? That would be a statistical improbability that most science-fiction would avoid. How did one lifeform come about in precisely the same way on planets so wildly different? And even given the miracle of hyperspace, it would have taken thousands of years for midi-chlorians to have spread from one point of origin to all known life... a period of time that all life would have been dead long before because they lacked midi-chlorians. How would life arise without them?"
Of course, anyone who believe sin creationism knows the answer to that
But to get back to physics,
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Post by Jauhzmynn Enz on Feb 4, 2005 17:57:33 GMT -5
hehe. Yeah but in my mind the true scientist sees spontaniosu creation by God as not a problem. Someone has to be bigger, stronger and smarter then us.;-)
The more Iread science manuals, biology books and such, I'm awestruck of how purposefully made all of life is. Nothing is random, or accidental. All has a purpose we just may not see it.
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Post by Shatir Lavan on Feb 4, 2005 18:10:07 GMT -5
My guess is that the Force would be one dimension by itself that connects with others on varying levels. A Jedi seeing into the future could be using that dimension to see farther along on the fourth dimension, perhaps with different 1st, 2nd, and 3rd coordinates as well. Moving objects with the Force could be attributed to certain quanta whipping out at the object from the Jedi and being propelled away. Force lightning would most likely take electrons from the target towards the Jedi (or Sith) resulting in massive electrical discharge. As for midichlorians, I imagine they could exist partially in that Force dimension, just as we exist in the first four dimensions. And on mitochondria, that's true that scientists don't know fully everything that they do. That isn't a goal of science. One of the properties of science is that is negativistic. That means that science admits that it cannot know everything. It can only create a worthy explanation of something until a better idea comes along. Therefore, science cannot prove or disprove anything 100% because there is always another explanation for something. Hundreds of years ago, a flat Earth was the best guess at existence in this world, then people started actually looking at the stars and planets and seeing patterns over time, realizing that the Earth was round and at first being orbited by, then in orbit around the sun. Like Dr. Zimski said in The Core, "All science is is best guess." Science will never explain for certain how the universe began or why certain chemicals in certain foods interact in your brain causing different effects, but it can provide a decent explanation until a better one comes along. I personally don't believe in a God because I find that doing so cheapens science and takes a shortcut around finding out about our world. I do believe in more advanced life than us, but it is life that is still bound by the laws of science. I don't want to give up looking for the answer by claiming divine influence.
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Post by Jauhzmynn Enz on Feb 4, 2005 18:29:02 GMT -5
I think forc elightening is clsoer to static electricity. WHich is a result of out fo balance ecetrons inside the person interacting with an obect. I like to cal it "Localized static electricty." ZOne major zap I don't wanna be on thereverse side of.:-ZD
Force users draw from outside fo themselves not really the objects they'er intending to move.
Although your theory sounds intersting.
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Post by Jedimom/Cor-Al Gelkar on Feb 4, 2005 18:53:41 GMT -5
I dunno I always thought of Force Lightning as being drawn out from somewhere ... or from inside themselves
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Post by Jauhzmynn Enz on Feb 4, 2005 19:50:32 GMT -5
maybe it's both.
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Post by Shatir Lavan on Feb 4, 2005 20:18:17 GMT -5
Actually, Jauhzmynn, that is basically what I said. Static electricity lightning bolts occur when there is a great difference in charge (+/-). Since electrons have a negative charge, I thought that if a Jedi were to draw as many electrons from their target to themselves as possible, the Jedi would become negative and the target positive. The lightning happens when the electrons try to jump back to the positive place. To sustain the lightning, a Jedi would simply keep drawing electrons back as soon as they reach the target.
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Post by Jauhzmynn Enz on Feb 4, 2005 20:36:17 GMT -5
Here's a few things differant from force lightening but deal with energy in some way or another.
. Empty force can actually shove a person back because fof directed Chi. I haven't seen thisone in action although I'm very curious as to the mechanics of it.
A attack called "Poison hand", depends on the intent of the persn slapping the opponent.It's delivered by touching the opponent either casually ro otherwise. The 'sender' send his/her energy in somemanner to polute or muddy the opponnent's. After several moments, the opponent will feel as if his energy pools to hsi feet, ifgone without being repaired, the person can grow quite sick or evne die. It can be reversed by contacting certain sets fo pressure points on the prson's body. Truly strange indeed.
Delivery of poison hand requires in my mind a malavalent intent to do bodily harm to the person.
Another 'attack' is an energy robbing or some would call it force drain. I've actually felt thsi one. It' feels like I'm getting very tired. The sort of 'dog tired' feeling. The limbs would feel quite heavy. It s a temporary effect. Good tactic touse if one wishes to back their opponent away without ausing seriosu permant harm.
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Post by Shatir Lavan on Feb 4, 2005 20:46:41 GMT -5
That empty force is very real as I've actually used it. Not to the extent of knocking a person back, but I have used it. In tae kwon do, at our board breaking seminars, besides the regular breaking, we try to sever a hanging piece of paper (attached to a taut string by one small piece of tape), as well as blowing out candles with a punch or kick several inches away from the candle. Both involve snapping your technique extremely fast. With the paper, you have to focus all your energy into an area the size of a pinhead pretty much. With the candle, once you've punched or kicked, you rechamber your technique as fast as possible. This sucks air away from the flame, and causes it to go out. This is my interpretation at least of what you meant by empty force. Perhaps there is another technique which I have not learned.
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Post by Jauhzmynn Enz on Feb 4, 2005 20:59:07 GMT -5
Ahh I'm familar with that one. I've done it blowing the candles out. Board breaking, that takes focus and proper bone allighnment, one wrong move. Outch. :-) The one I mean you'er not close enough to touch them with a foot or hand, but the movement like a shoving motion will knock them down. palm out Quite fasinaiting. A friend of mine is capable of doing this. I'll ask them to explain how it works and I can pass the knowledge along. Sometimes the person will be next to them, give a very light tap and the other one goes flying. Lets hope the folks who are very proficient in this are the sort who are even tempered or road rage will reach new heights. :-) Now orce lightening, If it were possible to actually DO that. It'd be good as a way to stun someone without hurting them. Recharging a dead car battery. Jump starting a person's heart, or lighting the BBque pit. Not too much lighter fluid please. I wish to keep my eyebrows and eyelashes.:-D
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Post by Shatir Lavan on Feb 4, 2005 22:31:05 GMT -5
I expect the martial artists who practice dangerous techniques like that tap-throw have been training all their life and know the consequences of their actions. They would most likely stay on the light side.
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