Schph Gochi
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Post by Schph Gochi on Jul 5, 2002 5:21:13 GMT -5
One just HAS to see Anakin in Vader to make the final battle scene in Return of the Jedi make sense.....I really could not buy that whole scene of Darth Vader killing the Emperor until AOTC.
AOTC also kinda cleared up another thing for me....Obi-Wan tells Luke that Vader hunted down and killed the Jedi...at first, I thought that that number would be in the thousands...but at the end of AOTC, it becomes clear that there are only a few Jedi left....not that it makes things any better that Vader killed the remaining except Obi-Wan and Yoda....but it does pare down the numbers that Vader killed....in a goofy way, it made me feel a little better.
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Post by Nova Darklighter on Jul 5, 2002 23:48:56 GMT -5
Well, I think that there are more than just a few, the ones on Geonosis at the end of Clones are the ones that were on Coruscant or who were able to leave off missions from near enough by to get to Geonosis in time for that little dust up. Remember, most of the Jedi are off on missions most of the time.
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Post by Schph Gochi on Jul 6, 2002 5:03:34 GMT -5
Good question...I just wonder what the total number of Jedi are left after the Battle of Geonosis!
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Post by Nova Darklighter on Jul 6, 2002 23:45:49 GMT -5
If I remember it right one of the novels, not an EU type, but either a film novelisation or one of the Apprentice or Quest series, or or One of the prequel novels mentions there are around 10 thousand scattered around the galaxy, there were probably 100 thousand geonosians in the arena stands, (our average sports arena holds about 65 thou) but if you think of it most missions are one Jedi & padawan team or occasionally 2 or 4 teams in a real hotspot, they're there more as diplomats, and even 10 thousand Jedi would not be alot in a war against half the galaxy.
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Post by Schph Gochi on Jul 7, 2002 6:02:45 GMT -5
Yikes.....that's a lot of Jedi....BUT....if there are 10,000 scattered all over...I don't think even Darth Vader could have hunted down that many in the time span that he is given between Episode III and a New Hope...especially if they knew he was out there "gunning" for them I would think they could use the force to sense him....of course none of them were as powerful as Anakin.
Hmmmmmmmmmmm........
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Post by Nova Darklighter on Jul 8, 2002 22:31:06 GMT -5
I think the majority will be killed in the battles in the wars, and by treachery, and let's not forget, Tyranus and Sidious, I think that a lot more will be dead before the start of EpIII, and that will be before Anakin turns. As for the youngest padawans, they may be sent away to safety, or if the story line works killed at the Temple, by treachery somehow, although I saw a blurb about an EU novel that had them in stasis in a cave somewhere on a planet w/someone (Luke) trying to rescue/reawaken them before a ship called Palpatines Eye could blow up the planet and the children, Has anybody read that one? I don't read to many of the EU's 'cos a lot of them don't run w/ the story as GL is writing it.
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Post by Schph Gochi on Jul 9, 2002 5:25:09 GMT -5
Yes, I read that one.....but from what I could gather in the book, these children never spent time at the Academy on Coruscant. It has been awhile since I read that one... Children of the Jedi was not one of my favorite EU novels...a tough read...
I can only imagine that all the Jedi students were eliminated when the Empire took over Coruscant....they destroyed everything...including the entire Jedi Library.
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Post by Eqin Ilis on Jul 9, 2002 17:31:31 GMT -5
The Jedi weren't wiped out by Vader alone, but he was "one of the foremost agents". I found this at www.starwars.com/databank/character/darthvader/index.htmlIn the chaos that accompanied Palpatine's rise to power, Vader became one of the Emperor's most loyal servants. The Emperor entrusted him with the elimination of the Jedi Knights. During these dark times, Vader and his agents destroyed the Jedi order. I found this at www.starwars.com/databank/character/obiwankenobi/index.htmlAs the Jedi's ranks were wiped out by the machinations of the emergent Empire, Obi-Wan went into hiding on Tatooine. I found this at www.starwars.com/databank/character/anakinskywalker/index.htmlHis pure innocent self seemingly lost forever, Darth Vader cast a dark pall over the galaxy, as he was one of the foremost agents responsible for the elimination of the Jedi order. And I found this at www.starwars.com/databank/character/palpatine/index.htmlPalpatine instituted a military build-up unprecedented in galactic history. He created the New Order, a Galactic Empire that ruled by tyranny. The Jedi Knights, his biggest threat, were extinguished by his greatest dark side pupil: Anakin Skywalker, who had become Darth Vader. I think that's all the info we're likely to get, since there wasn't anything under Sidious, Darth. Hope this helps.
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Post by Schph Gochi on Jul 10, 2002 5:20:54 GMT -5
I read the information on Palpatine that is on the SW data bank that Eqin directed in his post...but one thing isn't metioned about Palpatine....how he became a Sith Lord..... I don't know enough about the Sith...but I thought they were wiped out. It would be interesting to find out when Palpatine entered "Sith-hood" if all Sith were gone...wouldn't he have to apprentice under someone ( there are always two....one master and one apprentice) and if so....who? By the way...Eqin...you didn't answer the original question....How do you look at Darth Vader now?
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Post by Eqin Ilis on Jul 10, 2002 14:54:10 GMT -5
They don't say exactly who trained Darth Sidious, but Darth Bane was the one who made it so there could only be two. If you wanna read more about him go to www.starwars.com/databank/organization/thesith/index.html Once again, the databank answers all questions!
How do I look at Darth Vader now? The same way I always have... with my eyes open! ::du dun duh!:: ;D Actually, I didn't even know about Star Wars until EpI came out. When I saw the commercials for it, I knew it was a good movie, so I went to beg my mom. That's when she realized she'd never told me about it, and she made me watch the OT before going to the new one. Since I watched them all in a row (less than a week between them), I've always known that Vader was once a "cute little boy," as my mom puts it. So I see him as a tragic figure. Good guy, has a major flaw, can't control destiny, does what he has to do, gets redemption in the end. (We studied tragedies in English last semester, can you tell?) And I like him, 'cause even though he was so evil all those years, he still had the strength to turn back. Hope that answers your question.
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Post by Schph Gochi on Jul 11, 2002 4:30:48 GMT -5
Yes, it does.... and thanks for reminding me that not everyone started with the original Star Wars...VERY good point...you went into looking at the OT KNOWING more than we over 30 folks...
Thanks for the reality check....
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Post by Eqin Ilis on Jul 11, 2002 10:37:26 GMT -5
::grins:: Any time.
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Post by Shoshana Win on Jul 15, 2002 20:56:48 GMT -5
Hmmm..........sorry to switch topics, but I found some interesting info about Vader's children. And, yes, I know you already posted this on another thread Equin, but I wanted to point it out here! And I found the info before I read your post, so I promise I didn't steal it from you! ;D ;D Here's an excerpt from starwars.com: "Obi-Wan was instrumental in hiding Anakin's offspring, so that neither the Dark Lord, nor his master, the Emperor Palpatine, knew of their whereabouts." So, it sounds like Anakin knew Padme was pregnant, but the kids were hidden before he could get his hands on them. Either that, or Vader never looked for them, because even though he had sucummed to the Dark Side, he couldn't bring himself to kill his children. But I wonder if Palpatine knew? I would think that he would go out of his way to destroy the kids if he knew about them. Actually, didn't Obi-Wan say something about this in ROTJ? Anyone remember? If not, I guess I'll have to watch it again. Not like that would be a chore ;D! Hmm.........actually, now that I've read the quote again, I guess Palpatine did know about the kids, so Obi-Wan did a good job of hiding them. I wonder when Obi-Wan delivered Luke to Owen and Beru? I mean, wouldn't you think that Anakin would check Tatooine? Too many questions left unanswered!!!!!!!
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Post by Schph Gochi on Jul 16, 2002 5:20:01 GMT -5
Wow........unexpected this is.... I guess I had always imagined that neither Vader nor Palpatine knew that Luke and Leia existed....but it really does sound like they both knew...I guess I would have thought that Anakin/Vader (and even Palaptine) would have made that a priority...turn them to the dark side early and all that.
I guess Vader was too busy hunting down the Jedi to go after his own kids....interesting question that may or may not get answered in Episode III
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Post by Jedimom/Cor-Al Gelkar on Sept 18, 2003 8:35:14 GMT -5
How do I look at Vader now? With open eyes! ;D
Sorry couldn't resist.
Time to resurrect the deadest topic on this board
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