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Post by tanzanlinnear on Jun 20, 2005 4:58:01 GMT -5
I still think his anger came from his resentment of being a slave. He was already angry way before he became a Jedi. Although someone with the amount of power Anakin had would find a benefit and improvement in their abilities through formalized training, they would still have an incredibly powerful untrained ability. (When Anakin has to reconnect one of the pod's engines, he's using somekind of wrench to get it, but it's just out of reach... All of a sudden though, it moves to his grip... I'd say that was the first time [on film at least] that Anakin actually used The Force, and that was without any Jedi teachings.) I think had he remained on Tattooine as a slave, he would probably have made a name from himself pod-racing and been able to buy his freedom that way.
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Post by Seda Navilli on Jun 20, 2005 5:20:56 GMT -5
Anakin most likely would have made it off of Tatooine, but I doubt he would have an incredibly powerful untrained ability, as you say. Take Leia for example, she and Luke are a great deal more powerful than Anakin, but because she was untrained she could not do very much with her abilities, even after Luke attempts to train her. No matter how strong you are in the Force, it makes little difference if you don't know how to harness that power.
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Post by tanzanlinnear on Jun 20, 2005 5:39:05 GMT -5
I see what you're saying, but I think it comes down to how someone defines abilities... Leia might not be able to do much in the way of Jedi acrobatics or moving things with the Force, but she might have a natural gift for using the Jedi Mind Trick in the senate, something that might go unnoticed. I think Leia and Luke are only more powerfull than Anakin because he was maimed, so their 'diluted blood' was more powerfull than the smaller amount that was left in him. What I was meaning was that because of his high midichlorian count, Anakin would still have some powerful Force abilities, but probably not realize it, because the really cool flashy powers require proper tuition. Kind of like my example with the engine coupling... He might have thought the cable simply whipped against his wrench rather than realizing he brought it too him by thinking about taking hold of it (with the wrench)
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Post by kivaanzion on Jun 20, 2005 10:18:17 GMT -5
Not to burst your bubble on your wrench theory but...
When George first wrote the deleted scene of Anakin's coupling coming loose, Anakin simply reaches out, grabs the coupling with his hand, and reattaches it to the pod.
Eventually George felt the concept didn't seem right (here is this coupling whipping around at 500 mph how could Anakin grab it?)- so George came up with the idea of a magnetic tool that Anakin uses to catch the coupling.
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Post by tanzanlinnear on Jun 20, 2005 11:59:53 GMT -5
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Oct 8, 2005 0:37:29 GMT -5
ok back to masters and padawans how do the Masters when obi-wan walked in on yoda teaching a groupd of younglings?
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Post by Jauhzmynn Enz on Oct 8, 2005 20:03:44 GMT -5
Are you saying how do they knwo when Yod'as in calsses? If that's what it is, the temple has class schedules posted in their version of an online bullieten board. All he'd have to access it and find Yoda.
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Oct 8, 2005 21:18:57 GMT -5
I think that Anakin could have turned out OK right up to the end. If he'd chosen to help Mace Windu instead of Palpatine they could have ended the Sith probem there, though the massive damage to the Republic and the Jedi Order would have been done. Following the letter of the law, killing Palpatine was a political assassination (corrupt as he was, he was legitimately elected) and Mace and Anakin could have been convicted of it. The Jedi Order really WAS planning a coup if Palpatine didn't step down after the war. That alone could have fractured the whole Order even if Palpatine were dead. It wasn't too late for Anakin, but by the end of the Clone Wars it really was too late for the Jedi.
I think Anakin would have had similar problems had Qui-Gon trained him. Even worse, Palpatine could have gotten to Anakin through Dooku who was Qui-Gon's old teacher. Qui-Gon just didn't live long enough to be betrayed by Dooku. There is an almost military demand for obedience for Jedi padawans with their masters and that looks very heavy-handed to the uninitiated.
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Post by ayanabashu on Oct 8, 2005 22:23:14 GMT -5
I think Anakin would have ended up as Vader, on matter who his master was. He was destined to turn, that was the only way he could ultimately bring ballance to the Force.
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Oct 10, 2005 23:11:00 GMT -5
I think that there could have been multiple scenarios for Anakin to bring balance to the Force.
...Anakin stays on Tatooine, grows up an angry slave, gets discovered by Palpatine and goes the Vader route by killing Palpatine and gets defeated by the Jedi in a Pyhrric victory because he's not politically subtle.
...Anakin gets trained by Qui-Gon and they discover Palpatine's secret after Qui-Gon get suspicious about Dooku, but Palpatine has been Chancellor for years and he zeroes out the Jedi Temple budget by executive order and they're evicted, but the action causes a civil war that climaxes in the mutual destruction of Anakin and Palpatine while the Jedi are forced to get day jobs to support themselves.
...Padme doesn't ever tell Anakin about her feelings and he chooses to help the Jedi in the critical moment but is eventually convicted and is executed after he chooses to abide by the law and the Jedi Order fractures in disarray over the tragedy.
The Force gets balanced in the end, but the possibilities are endless. ;D
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Oct 12, 2005 1:38:32 GMT -5
You never know what would have happened if Anakin stayed as a slave. However the force brought Qui-gon to anakin and even if they didn't take him right away I am betting he would have returned to get anakin when he could. Assuming things didnt go bad..
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Oct 12, 2005 17:03:57 GMT -5
Nope, you just don't know what would have happened if Anakin had stayed a slave. He was strong enough in the Force that he might have figured out how to do a few tricks on his own and possibly free himself and his mother. Qui-Gon might have tried to go back to find Anakin, even if he were forbidden to. He was quite determined to train him though he seemed reluctant to do something like that unless he had to. Sadly, he might have been expelled from the Order and you couldn't be sure if even Qui-Gon would have walked on the light or the dark path if that had happened. What kind of master would Qui-Gon be if he weren't a Jedi?
One thing that seems to have been happening is that the Jedi Order was being forced (pun intended) to change. They'd been static for a millenium it seems and I think that's how the Sith defeated them. The one thing that might have saved them to even SEE where the Sith threat was coming from was change, but they ended up doing it the hard way, on the Sith's terms.
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Oct 13, 2005 13:40:35 GMT -5
Very true. The Jedi were on the thoughts of the older ways and in the end thats what defeated them. Thus now you have Luke who's started the Jedi all over again and things are alot diffrent and seem to be a little more smoothly.
Qui-Gon being expelled from the order! Ive never even thought that possibility.
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Oct 17, 2005 22:26:45 GMT -5
I don't know if things run more smoothly after Luke passes on his Jedi knowledge, but things would certainly be different. I think it's a sure thing that Luke won't be as stern as your average Old Republic master. Since so much of the EU was written before Ep I-III came out there are conspicuous holes in it. I wonder if it would be revised? And if so, how much of the old-fashioned master-padawan type training would Luke use?
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Oct 23, 2005 0:34:22 GMT -5
I guess that would have to depend on how much he knew. Ine of the books I read. Shadows of the Empire Luke went back to tatoooine and to Bens old home and found a eather bound book with jedi knowladge. I can't remember if it had other stuff in it because he was just making a new lightsaber to replace his first one.
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