The Clone War

[Niron Kridanik]

The Clone War was only glimpsed in one battle in Attack Of The Clones, but it seems incredible! Clone Troopers led by Jedi against the Droid armies of the Seperatists! This is no doubt going to be a source of a great deal of material for the Expanded Universe over the next 3 years.

How big will the Clone Army get? There are 200,000 at the end of Attack Of The Clones, and another 1 million on the way. Will the clones start being processed even faster? And will we get to see them using the Starfighters and Star Destroyers that we see in the Classic Trilogy in EPISODE III?

What about this: A war that's being fought between two sides, and the leaders of both opposing forces are in cahoots? Has anyone realized the gravity of this yet? Palpatine (secretly Darth Sidious) leads the Republic's Clone forces and Jedi, while Dooku (aka Darth Tyranus) leads the Seperatist forces. And they are secretly wiping out all of their political and military opposition! Jedi are undoubtedly being killed in the conflict, and the various factions of the Seperatist movement (Trade Federation, Commerce Guild, Banking Clan, Techno Union, et all) are being wiped out in a staged war.

And then there's this...what about the remaining Jedi? What's to become of them? Will they be scapegoats? Will they tragically lose staged battles to show them as incompetent? And reinforce the need for a Republic Army and Navy?

What does everyone think?




****Errrr....Note to moderators...I think this might belong in the EPISODE III forum. Sorry****

[Xana]

Nah! It can stay. It's not exactly EpII, not really EpIII, and not general enough for the Cantina.

Yes, I saw AOTC again tonite, and the gravity of the whole situation is frightening to say the least. It is a rather brilliant plan, though! I never thought of the Clone Wars being covered in the EU books. I was hoping to see it in one of the movies. But I guess they don't have to cover too much of the battles in the next movie. We already know what the war is about and that it all serves to get Palpatine ultimate power. What we don't know is what happens to Padme, under what circumstances the twins are born, and exactly how Anakin turns to the Dark side. ( I have a theory on this, but it could be a spoiler if I'm right so I won't post it.)

As for the remaining Jedi, Anakin/Vader hunts them down and kills them, right? (I wonder if he kills the children too-- probably.) There aren't many left as it is! And the clone army, I'm sure there won't be a shortage of them. Now that Palpatine has emergency power, I wonder how long the fake war will last anyway.

I hope we get to see Star Destroyers! I wonder if we get to see the Death Star? Probably not. I don't think it's finished until right before EpIV.

[Niron Kridanik]

Well, I definitely think the Clone Wars are responsible for weeding down the numbers of Jedi. It probably makes it that much easier for Vader to hunt down the rest.

[Schph Gochi]

tossing my 2 cents in....
The Jedi were already in limited numbers before the Clone War began...Mace said so on a couple of occasions that there were not enough Jedi to maintain peace in the Republic and when he left for Geonosis he said that he would take what Jedi were left. A great many of the Jedi were slain in the Arena even before the Clone War started.
So that leaves me to believe that aside from paring down the number of Jedi...Dooku and Palpatine wanted to pare down all living beings that were not friendly to "the dark side".
It will be interesting, to say the least, what happens to Padme'...I wonder if they will actually kill her off in Episode 3 or just let you wonder where she went and how long she lived.

[Xana]

I am thinking that her death is what sends Anakin over the edge. It started with his mother, and Padme is the only thing he loves more-- or as much.

[Bombad Jedi]

We're probably going to see the end of the clone wars in the movie. or at least in the middle to end part. From what Rick McCallum hinted at we see Anakin put on the mask which i dont think will happen anytime near the beginning of the wars. I think the war and anything that might happen to Padme and between Anakin and Obi-Wan will play a big part in him finally leaving the order and going to Palpatine. I wonder if we'll get to see the fight between Anakin and Obi-wan. The one that supposidly made it so Anakin had to wear the mask because of what Obi-Wan did to him. Now that would be interesting!

[Xana]

We better see that fight! That will be so cool!

[Schph Gochi]

I had heard that too....the person that inflicts so much bodily damage to Anakin and necessitates the use of the Darth Vader "life support" suit is Obi-Wan....
For me....I am not sure I would like to see that fight...it is will be sad to see Obi-Wan have to do that to someone he obviously loves.

[Xana]

Do you really think Obi-Wan loves him? I guess he cares about him, but he didn't choose him as a Padawan and didn't like him as a kid. I'm sure that affected Anakin growing up. Maybe I just didn't see the chemistry between them on-screen.......... It's going to be a rough scene for sure, seeing Obi-Wan beat the @#$% out of Anakin. Well, being an Obi-Wan fan, it might be kind of cool!;D

[Bombad Jedi]

I'd like to see that fight between them. as for their relationship. No Obi-wan isnt compleatly fond of Anakin. He took Anakin because Qui-Gon told him to. Obi-Wan wants the relationship, and so does anakin, but theres that tension between them. they both know they only got together because of Qui-Gon

[Schph Gochi]

Anakin does say that Obi-Wan is the closest thing he has to a father....just because we argue (or in my case argued) with out fathers doesn't mean we don't love them....again....interesting question. I haven't had a chance to read any of the novels of Obi-Wan's and Anakin's adventures in between P.M. and AOTC (except for Rogue Planet) ...so I don't know how the relationship went during that time span. I guess too, there is the old Jedi rule about attachment.....Obi-Wan was not allowed to get attached to his Padawan?

[Nova Darklighter]

Well, in the Jedi Quest novels Obi Wan is often bothered by the lack of closeness, he was very close to Qui Gonn, but they had very rough times at first, Qui Gonn was almost afraid to take another padawan after Xanatos went to the darkside, then Obi Wan left the order for a bit over a planetary revolution. Actually it seems as if Anakin is not really certain if Obi Wan wants him as a padawan, so he tries, sometimes to hard to be the best, and he has a hard time working in cooperative forms with both Obi Wan (as in the hanger duel w/Dooku) and w/ the other padawans on missions. Anakin also seems to have a hard time making close friends at the temple, and this bothers Obi Wan at times. But yes I always get the impression that they are really quite fond of each other and are so different personality wise that they make horrible mistakes whenever they try to show each other how much they do care. I think that the duel between them will be both awesome and horrible to see and that if he didn't have to do something, Obi Wan might have killed himself after, but he has to be there for Luke, to train him. I really do have a theory as to what will really push Anakin over the edge as well, but it's a possible spoiler, so I'm not writing it here or anywhere else, and it's a bit different than anything I've seen out there so far. But as to the rule about attachment between Masters and Padawans, it would be an unhealthy thing to discourage that form of affection, it's familial not erotic and all sentient types seem to require some form of closeness. all through the Appentice series you see closeness between Qui Gonn & Obi Wan, but Obi Wan is constantly dismayed at the rag tag types that Qui Gonn will befriend or put his trust in, by the time of EpI, it's almost a joke between them, but it must have rubbed off on Obi Wan somewhere along the line, or his friendship with Dexter J makes no sense at all, wonder how & where they met. I think the fact that Anakin has such a high potential makes Obi Wan a little nervous at times, and sometimes causes him to push him harder than he should, and Anakin probably would like a more affectionate relationship, because he had that with his Mother before so he knows what he's missing. Just some thoughts I have at times.

[Bombad Jedi]

Dexter is a friend of Didi. Didi was a friend to Qui-Gon. Didi was almost killed and in helping to save him Obi-Wan grew a liking for him. When Didi sold his diner to Dexter Obi-Wan formed a friendship with Dex. I would have loved to have seen Didi in the movie but Dex had his moments.

[Xana]

Well put Nova.

Czuco-- I did think of Didi when I saw the diner scene. Did Astri take over for him? I didn't know he sold it! Where did you read that? Did I miss something?

I'm not too happy with the Jedi Quest series. They are good and all, but Anakin really ticks me off and Obi-Wan could be a better Master sometimes.

[Schph Gochi]

Man...I can see I better get busy with the "prequel" novels....there is a lot going on that I totally do not know about. I only started reading the novels about two years ago....made it from "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" forward to "Star by Star" (which I still haven't read). Guess I better get a move on...I don't seem to have too much time in the summer to read but some of the story lines you are talking about seem too hard to resist.