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Post by Xana on Aug 17, 2002 21:02:11 GMT -5
"Tune in tomorrow for another great lesson from our resident biologist, Master Win!" Hee hee.......;D
Shoshana pretty much nailed it! I'm not for cloning either. Did we learn nothing from Jurassic Park?? And the scar doesn't bother me either. I think they're cool!
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Post by Shoshana Win on Aug 17, 2002 22:27:53 GMT -5
;D Hehehe.........sorry if I got a little carried away. But I don't usually get to talk about these things, and I get a little overexcited when the opportunity presents itself!
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Post by Schph Gochi on Aug 18, 2002 2:54:02 GMT -5
finally gets head to stop spinning..... whew..... actually, thanks for the biology lesson! I didn't notice the head roll away (yuck)....but then it seems I have missed a lot (even though i saw the movies 6 times).... Was at that fan film shoot yesterday and someone still insisted that the coke can is kicked by Anakin in the one scene in the meadow...I never saw it and I knew when it was supposed to come in and looked for it each time! Hmmmmm maybe it was just in the digitized version....
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Post by MasterJediJonik on Aug 18, 2002 3:24:15 GMT -5
[shadow=purple,left,300]Alright, I found a few flaws, which may just be rust old knowledge rearing its head.
Sperm cells do NOT contain the famale's DNA. But that's why you can't use it, because it only has 23 chromosomes, which make it a sex cell.
That makes sense how they could use skin cells for cloning. I don't know how they do it, but it would work because all of the DNA information is there.
But the REAL question is, do they just duplicate one of Jango's skin cells (or whatever) for cloning, or do they use a female host (prolly a computer) to do the work? Harder to answer. Either way, we're all thinking WAY too much about cloning.
I was just kidding about the female/Jango thing. Just trying to add some humor to a HUGE lecture.
I think there are and aren't clones for stormtroopers. They prolly did get some hired help from some Empire controlled systems, and perhaps even a draft was issued? I guess we'll see. Brain hurts. No more thinking.[/shadow]
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Post by Shoshana Win on Aug 18, 2002 12:32:58 GMT -5
Hehehe.......I knew you were joking about Jango ;D, I just thought the question of why he would want a clone was relevant. As for the sperm thing, I may not have explained myself well in my post (sometimes I think I am being clear, but I delude myself, and wind up being confusing......hehehe). My intention was to state (like you did so well!) that you couldn't use them for cloning because they only contain half the chromosomes of the male (23), and you need 46 for an embryo to survive and develop. I guess I should have just said that and left all the female stuff out of it. I have to remember that not everyone likes biology as much as I do! ;D ;D
I agree that the big question is......how did the Kamino's do it? We can't assume that they would use technology like ours. I doubt we'll ever find out though, unless it is explored in one of the EU books or something like the visual dictionary. Skin cells would be the easiest to use though, if they used technology like ours, because they can be cultured easily in the lab to make millions of identical cells. However, I also wonder what they would use as the egg. I am guessing that they have found some way to circumvent that part, since getting millions of eggs is extremely difficult, and I don't think they can be cultured. A computer-monitored false egg which contains the necessary biological "thingytail" would be my guess.
I think that the cloning part of the movie is really relevant to us, because of all of the advances that have been made in the technology in the past few years. Whether we like it or not, cloning of humans will probably happen in our lifetime. There are several couples that are working with "renegade" (that's what I call them) doctors to make a clone of themselves. And as much as I am opposed to whole human cloning, the technology itself is very exciting because of it's other applications. Imagine if we could clone human organs for transplant......millions of lives could be saved. And the technology could be used to repair nerve damage and repair the damage caused by neurological diseases like Parkinson's disease, Alzheimer's, and multiple sclerosis. The possibilites for good are endless!!!!!!!
Oh boy, here I go again!! Sorry everyone if I am rambling, but this topic is very exciting for me, and is an area very near and dear to my heart. It is one of the research areas that I am very interested in and may decide to pursue in my career. So I tend to talk about it alot when I get the chance ;D!
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Post by Shoshana Win on Aug 18, 2002 12:36:10 GMT -5
Oh, and I totally missed that Jango's head had come out of his helmet. I thought that it was inside too, until Solorad pointed out to me that it wasn't. I was thinking.........ewwww..........his head is in there!! I'll have to watch carefully when the DVD comes out to see the shadow Xana. I didn't see Anakin kick anything in the meadow scene either.....maybe it was only in the digital version. Guess we'll find that out on the DVD too!
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Post by Shoshana Win on Aug 18, 2002 12:41:12 GMT -5
ROTFL!!!!!!!
I just reread my post, and forgot all about the board censor! I meant biological "coc.ktail", not "thingytail". So funny...............hahahahahaha!
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Post by Xana on Aug 18, 2002 17:32:42 GMT -5
thingytail! Hehe! Silly me, I thought that's actually what you meant! And yap all you want about biology-- I'll listen! Between the two of us, we could start a bio-ethics thread!;D I'm sure some book will come out about the tehcnology of Ep II sooner or later. Never even occured to me where they would get all those eggs from. I guess we're not supposed to be thinking that much about it when we're watching the movie, but now I am!
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