The color BLACK

[Joriv Aneri Génnesar]

I thought I would open this disscussion for the perpose of getting the councils & others feed back. I understand the want to keep all jedi on this site as NON - SITH and "GOOD" Jedi. This makes total sence to me. How ever there are a few exceptions I think should be reviewed for wearing the black color.

1. Luke wore it. If it was Lucas's belief that only sith wore it why have it on Luke. As of yet all I have heard are asumsions as to why.
2 The Jedi of the Old Repubic (Not the prequils - OLD REPUBLIC) wore Black.
3. What is refurred to as Dark Jedi wernt Bad Jedi they were still good Jedi. Jedi were able to use force powers aginst an enemy to defeat him prior to the Council becomming Dogmatic. Even Luke takes on his fathers Chock power at the end of ROTJ.

Please understand this is not to start an argument ....just to point out that Dark Jedi werent bad Jedi. For example the Father charater to Joriv was also for a time a dark Jedi while durring the Sith -Mandilorian wars. Any way just wanted to see what others opinions were.

[Olos Nay]

The whole concept of the Jedi Assembly is to make an association not of all that is Jedi-related, but of light-side Jedi. Therefore, while Dark Jedi aren't bad and can be cool as a costume, it is not TJA material. Nobody requests you don't make any, but if you consider using it for TJA, it wouldn't be valid untill the council states otherwise.

as far as other Jedi with black accents - you can always replicate Luke episode6 as long as it is a complete recreation of the costume, and not "inspired by" the costume.

Please refer to section V of the TJA Jedi conduct rule. more specifically to the point 1. of the section V.

This Assembly is for Jedi costumers of the light side of the Force only. No "dark side" Jedi (except as outlined below), fallen Jedi, or Sith costumes are permitted.

Nowhere it says a dark jedi is a bad guys, simply that it is out of the scope of the assembly
www.thejediassembly.com/jedicode.php?art=v

Note: an X-Wing pilot with a lightsaber isn't considered for TJA membership either...

[Mon-Jas Charan]

Not this again ... I'm not on the Council, but please read the following discussions...

Costumes with Black in them...

Read it and weep-Costuming Standards

[Ky-Wan Zann]

While it's always good to ask questions and become clear on things. The admins that run this site perfer non black colors. However if you wish to make a Jedi outfit in black or with black aspects then go for it. But chances are it won't make the guidelines.

[Leda EmBorr]

There are some Jedi who wore dark/black colors. If you wish to recreate one of these characters, you may do so with the approval of the council, however it may not be your own character, it must be a recreation of a specific character, and you must site all your costume references and submit them for council approval. That's our policy on EU costumes. A dark or unusual EU costume will not be accepted if there are not enough clear references.

The character must also be a light side jedi...and no shadow jedi, or "Imperial Jedi".

[Rod-Wan Déattrod]

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The Force: Shadow Jedi
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The Force is traditionally broken down into two unique aspects Dark and Light. Yet the question is often asked, "is the Force really so polarised?". If the Dark and Light sides of the Force are like two sides of one coin then there would be no confusion. However the Force is an energy field, and such cannot be classified in this way. The force in essence is pure energy neither good nor evil, these are sentient concepts and are injected into the force by conduits or wielders of the Force.Therefore we should not consider the Force as Light and Dark sides, for the Force cannot be classified into such opposing categories.

"What can you do against the lunatic who is more intelligent than yourself, who gives your arguments a fair hearing and then simply persists in his lunacy?"
DuneSea

If the Force is not black and white, what is in-between?

The Shadow Side; Force users on the edge of Dark and Light, using them in harmony and achieving a balance such that they follow neither side fanatically. Moreover Shadow Side Force users adapt their Force ability to the situation they are in. A Shadow user will not use the Light side when what is called for is the Dark. Most Dark Side users give themselves completely to the Darkside and use their abilities only to commit evil acts of hate, anger, aggression and fear. Whereas a Light Side user only uses the Force for good such as defence and knowledge.

Is the Shadow Side a healthy balance?

"A student must find balance within their own hearts, whether they follow the Light or Dark paths is not something we can dictate."
Force Master

This is a decision only the Force User themselves can make, it is not the purpose of this Academy to tell students how they should use and pursue the Force. Guidance and knowledge are what we provide.


Force Master

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These are the Jedi, Master Génnesar are talking about. Commonly refured to as "Dark Jedi" buy those not educated in their philosophy. There is only one or two referances of actuall "Dark Jedi" being a part of the order that I can think of, and in both cases the force user either gave himself to the Dark side and left the order (my Master) like those exiled 7000 BBY or was redeemed and came back to the light (myself) in retrospect it is possible to be of the Dark side, and still act only for the better good. However because of the nature of the beast these sentients don't last long before the Dark side of the force tears there personallity apart and they are left with a choice... Only once have I seen one who not only did not make the choice but saw beond it (Master Génnesar) he store right into both phillosophys and found both to be fundimentally flawed (a revelation to manny) had it not been for him I may have followed my Master into Darkness... My thoughts, as always subject to crtisism but avaliable for those who would listen.
-Rod-Wan Déattrod

[JediKai]

The costuming standards regarding black are not going to change. Mon-Jas IS on the Council now, and as he indicated, we've been over, and over, and over this.

We are also only a costuming group, not an RPG, so any character backstory doesn't enter into the standards regarding costume.

[Jaren Valnor]

The Exile has a black undertunic...well at least you can GIVE him a black undertunic...in Knights of the Old Republic II, even if he's a Light Master (the most Jedi you can get in that game). Also, unless I'm mistaken, the Jedi Council in that game (they all dress the same) all wear black undertunics.

[Drago Lørdist]

HERE HERE Mistress kai! you have no idea how much I would love to get into JA with my black tunic instead of my tan one because of comfort but at least I am seeking to find a ballance within the dictates of the JA code. It has been established by the council of this group over multiple years - it's not like it's something new that can be brought up over and over again. you want to wear a black costume - do so, but it won't help you in the JA.

[JediKai]

Exactly. If you want to play another game, you are perfectly free to do so, but not within TJA. We are not all things to all people.

[Xana]

We do appreciate the thoughts and ideas of our memebrs and how we can better please everyone. But as Kai said, we can't be all things to all people. Our rules on black were looser and it caused more problems. So we changed it and have less problems. We learned we'll have problems either way. For now, we feel this is best.


All that can be said has been said on this topic over the last few weeks, if not years. We have multiple threads on it still on the boards which everyone can read through if they wish. The rules on the color black is staying. The Council's decidsion stands.

The Council has also decided to review the Code and revise if needed, twice a year. That way we aren't updating all the time and going through this every few weeks.

[admin]

Thank you all for your comments.

The Code regarding black stands as is.