Post by tanzanlinnear on Aug 4, 2005 11:07:29 GMT -5
Oh certainly, there's no denying Vader's power with the Force, but, with his arms and legs severed, there was simply less living tissue to generate/interact with the Force, meaning that as powerful as he was, he would never be able to achieve his full potential.
Post by Ja'Dae Bahnkuu on Feb 1, 2006 17:47:02 GMT -5
Im tossing my hat into the ring and will add my views on the vader birth scene. I have no issues with the "Frankenstein" like steps. As all ready pointed out, these are his first steps. The no was a bit lame, but it does fit in with the whole elongated yelling theme lucas has been famous for adding to some of the most pivital characters. I chalk this one up to just doing things as he always has, thus i accept it.
What i think people are missing is what they call the caring moments of Sidious. There are two moments.
1. Palpatine touches Anikan's head on Mustafar
2. Palpatine asks vader can you hear me?
These are not caring moments. These are selfish moments. Remember, Palpatine has just exterminated everyone who was a force user. Vader was the only one left. Now that hes the emperor he doesnt have the time to search out a new apprentice. To salvage the Dark Side, vader was his only option. Palpatines entire aim was to bring the dark side to fluition and allow it to rule the universe. He even claims that vader is stronger than he is. He only wanted to preserve his evil ways, not the person. That caring really is caring only about the dark side not the person.
I think alot of people miss this point. He doesnt care about vader only the potential of vader. Ultimate evil must respect the potential for even greater ultimate evil.
"SIT VIS NOBISCUM" - Latin for "May the force be with you"
I found the "nnNNOOOoo" to be disingenuous since he was the one who killed her in the first place.
both luke and obi delivered the line after watching someone being murdered in front of them ; its not the same when you're the guy doing the killing. (ie: its appropriate to yell NOOO at somebody else's actions, but when its your own actions the appropriate response would be more like "OH nuts!! WHAT HAVE I DONE!?")
basically --> there was no "regret" in the scene ; only anger. he seemed to regret killing Mace more than padme(which was ALSO out of place . but whatevr)
honestly I have no idea what george was thinking with the force-choke "wife-beating" scene. it makes no sense for anakin to 'willfully' attack her - when her safety was his (only) motivation.
she should have been caught in the crossfire, killed by anakin hurling chunks of lava at obiwan (or something)
a hapless victim of his fatal flaw - rage; but NOT an intended target. this is why his surprised "nNNNooo" doesn't make any sense. (wtf did he expect would happen? it should come as NO surprise)
I suspect this is a symptom of rewrite-itis george makes this stuff up as he goes along. the end-scene with Palps was probably already filmed by the time he worked out the details of padme's death --> it just doesn't FIT
thats what happens when you change a single scene -- without changing the other scenes that depend on the one you just changed (heh)
he did the same thing with EMPIRE: he changed the conversation with vader and palps, to include vader hearing about Lukes Existence for the first time: "I have no doubt that the boy who blew up the deathstar was the offspring of anakin skywalker" .. "HOW can this BE!?"
(( Hello!! go back to the beginning of the movie when vader is talking to general Veers: "THAT is the system! The Rebels are THERE! and I'm sure SKYWALKER is with them!" he obviously knew he had a son. so the "new" scene with the emperor does't FIT!))