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Post by Johann Shinobi on Dec 13, 2004 11:15:14 GMT -5
More interesting was it's effect on Anakin. remember Vader's main stronghold was/is on Vjun.
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Post by Jauhzmynn Enz on Dec 13, 2004 11:17:12 GMT -5
I didn't know that. WHat was the effect Vjun had on Anakin?
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Post by Jedimom/Cor-Al Gelkar on Dec 13, 2004 11:17:15 GMT -5
I am about 3/4 done and I agree that Sean Stewart has delved a little deeper into the psyche of the Jedi. I love Yoda. I can't believe the old fossil can be that funny.
Must remember to always feed Yoda...
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Post by Jauhzmynn Enz on Dec 13, 2004 11:42:40 GMT -5
hehehe.
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Post by Johann Shinobi on Dec 15, 2004 10:35:36 GMT -5
Anakin claimed Vjun energized him, Filled him up. No wonder when he went to the darkside he went back to Vjun.
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Post by Jauhzmynn Enz on Dec 16, 2004 0:10:45 GMT -5
Ahh.
Whie had a similar problem.
Well Vjun had loads of wild life. Sharp contrast to Coruscant's mega-urban sprawl. I get 'charged' when I'm around nature and wild life. Cities are fine, but I like grass, birds, and such.
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Post by mooglar (Malim Vincible) on Dec 16, 2004 13:53:31 GMT -5
I don't read many TV or movie tie-ins, because generally I don't think they are very good. Many of the authors who write tie-ins are authors whose work I dislike whether it is a tie-in or not, such as Timothy Zahn and Mike Stackpole. (I know a lot of people love their work. I just think it is unimaginative and of poor overall quality myself, but I have, according to some, really high standards).
I happened to pick this book up, though, because I knew and admired Sean Stewart's other writing. I think this is an example of what a tie-in can be when handled by a better class of author than is often found writing tie-ins. I agree with others in this thread that it was a better novel in terms of character, going deeper, with better, more rounded and interesting portrayals.
Stewart also did a much better job with the secondary plotline with the young Jedi Scout. The young apprentice character is done to death and in most tie-in novels would be an uninteresting rehash of stuff we've all seen before. But Stewart made the plot sparkle and not feel like every other story about an apprentice on his or her first mission.
Stewart also didn't rely on action and a fast-moving plot to avoid having to color in the characters' motivations and emotions. Stewart's Dooku and Yoda both seemed alive and like real people to me, whereas, even in the films themselves, Yoda and Dooku always felt a little flat to me. I especially like Stewart's flashing back to Dooku's youth and showing that turning to the dark side did not cause him to have a single-note emotional reaction to seeing his former master. In many works, Dooku would have just been "angry" at Yoda, or wanting to show Yoda up, or just not really cared anymore, but Stewart's Dooku is conflicted and has a nice, realistically complex reaction while, in the end, staying true to his choice to walk the path of dark side.
This would be a pretty good book if it weren't a Star Wars novel. In comparison to other Star Wars novels, in my opinion, it is excellent.
(BTW, I saw on Jedimom's list that Elizabeth Hand has written some SW novels. I like Hand's work, but haven't read her SW work, so I am not putting her with Zahn and Stackpole).
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Post by Johann Shinobi on Dec 16, 2004 21:33:46 GMT -5
Ahh. Whie had a similar problem. Well Vjun had loads of wild life. Sharp contrast to Coruscant's mega-urban sprawl. I get 'charged' when I'm around nature and wild life. Cities are fine, but I like grass, birds, and such. yes but Vjun is steeped with the darkside as well.
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Post by Jauhzmynn Enz on Dec 17, 2004 17:44:51 GMT -5
Yep. frightening huh? SO sicne this book focused on the darkside of sorts. How about a discussion about that topic. Does anyone agree with what Yoda and the others have said on it?
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Post by Nova Darklighter on Dec 17, 2004 23:53:07 GMT -5
How Can one disagree with Master Yoda?
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Post by Johann Shinobi on Dec 18, 2004 6:50:55 GMT -5
What Master Yoda says about the darkside harkens more to what Luke realizes in the NJO book "Unifying Force" then it does what Yoda tells Luke in ESB and RTJ. Interessting. Was Yoda worried Luke would make the same mistake his father made? He sure didn't tell Luke the that it is as much our choices as our emotions, and actions. Maybe Yoda was finally realizing this.
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Post by lazlototh on Jan 3, 2005 14:52:57 GMT -5
I'm not done yet, but I am seeing some of the thing mentioned here already. SO far I think the book is great. Yoda is very well done, and the other characters feel pretty 3D.
My opinion on Yoda's view on scout's tactics may be that she is being what she is - I think being a Jedi is not how much you use the Force but how well you fit in harmonically with the universe. A person not as attuned to the Force would need to use non-Force techniques to keep up with the Force-user. Are they "tricks?" Maybe. But some Non-Force users would call Force powers "Jedi" tricks, would you say? It's a matter of interpretation and POV; and Yoda never had a party-line POV I believe. Perhaps he thinks Scout is more Jedi than the more powerful Force-users... I wish he were around to ask...
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Post by Jauhzmynn Enz on Jan 3, 2005 15:09:29 GMT -5
Yeah I think Yoda respected her cuz Scout was trying to adapt to the environment around her. It's what jedi are suppossed to do actually. Force abilities or not. Sometiems one CAN'T use the force and they gotta rely on their mind and physcial body. Yoda has faith in Scout when others don't. Maybe Yoda having the Knight take her as his padawan is a way for the Jedi to have HIS faith restored. TO see how a Jediis to really be.:-)
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Post by lazlototh on Jan 5, 2005 0:33:19 GMT -5
I finished it yesterday.
Oh yeah... This book rocked!
I love the way Yoda was represented. It shows why he's the Grand Master....
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Post by Johann Shinobi on Jan 5, 2005 7:16:00 GMT -5
I saw the things you all are saying about scout. One of the many things Luke and I'm sure Yoda too, has inparted to his students, is that the Force is only to be used for extraordinary feats not mundane tasks, and lets face it Scout does just that, she finds a way to complete her task without the Force.
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