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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Dec 12, 2005 2:19:00 GMT -5
OK this has been eating at me for a while. Has anyone noticed that when Lucas went and re did the orginal trilogy that not all the mistakes awere fixed? All good with the newer scens and better footage I loved but it's the small things that wern't fixed. Like in ANH when Luke is scanning the dessert for R2 and a droid goes by on the ground.. it's being pulled by a rope! I would have thought that if Lucas gotten the "blob" fixed on the speeder he would had fixed stuff that was really obvious. Any thoughts?  |
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Post by Leda EmBorr on Dec 12, 2005 3:49:09 GMT -5
I always guessed that he may have left some of the more obvious things like that in the remake just for nostalgia... like they're so obvious that the movie would look odd without them. Like, I noticed that he left some of the traveling boxes around the TIE fighters.
One scene I didn't like the remake of is in RotJ in the Rancor pit... it's just all too dark and it looks too real, if that makes any sense. I liked it the old way.
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Dec 12, 2005 22:28:35 GMT -5
well then why bother messing with anything..
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Post by Mon-Jas Charan on Dec 13, 2005 14:24:37 GMT -5
There are limits of what can be "fixed" without a noticeable change, i.e. it would look like a completely new scene verses a fix. I have read that the puppet Yoda is being removed from all the scenes in the next 3D release that is due out in 2007.
I know there is a group the cling to the "old" version, personally the Special editions are just fine ... There is no way to remove all the mistakes, bad editing or special effects in any movie.
If they were to redo digitally anything I would like to see a better duel between Vader and Obi-Wan in "A New Hope"
Well thats my 2 credits
(drags soap box away)
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Dec 13, 2005 15:05:15 GMT -5
LOL.. A 3d Version?
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Post by Mon-Jas Charan on Dec 13, 2005 19:22:02 GMT -5
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Post by Seda Navilli on Dec 13, 2005 21:46:58 GMT -5
Oh George, when will you leave those movies alone?
I can't believe he's going to totally re-work the original trilogy, thats ridiculous. Why fix something that isn't broken? Surely he has enough money, I doubt its about that. I guess that he wants it all to fit the same style - I always saw the prequel films to be a much different style to the original trilogy, and whilst I love the prequels, I don't want the original trilogy to be like them, because it just wouldnt be the same movies that made me fall in love with this universe.
Come on George, Greedo shooting first was bad enough - let sleeping dogs lie.
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Dec 13, 2005 23:58:50 GMT -5
All I can say for the 3-D thing is, I don't have any depth perception, so what's the big deal?
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Dec 14, 2005 11:58:46 GMT -5
Well remember for those of us that went to C3 even RIck M said GL was a tinkerer. He said hes going to be 78 or what not and hes going to get a call from George saying he wants to change something else.
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Post by Mon-Jas Charan on Dec 14, 2005 15:45:48 GMT -5
"Movies are never finished, just abandoned." - George Lucas
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Dec 14, 2005 21:54:05 GMT -5
Don't speak of going to the Darkside... I love the puppet too.. but going to the darkside...NEVER!!
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Post by Vek Eldar on Dec 14, 2005 22:08:03 GMT -5
I was under the impression that they were only going to remove the puppet from Episode I. When I first heard about this (again, assuming that only the puppet from The Phantom Menace was going to be removed), I was actually rather happy about it. The new puppet that was created for TPM was terrible; it looked nothing like the ESB or ROTJ puppet, and not just because he was supposed to look 40+ years younger, it looked really different. Where the old Yoda puppet looked like the original sculptor (his name escapes me at the moment) and Albert Einstein, the Episode I puppet looked like Martin Van Buren!
Anyway, yeah, I'll be really disappointed if they release new versions of ESB and ROTJ with a digital Yoda. If it's just done for the 3D release (which I will probably never see because it undoubtedly won't be at a theater anywhere close to me), la dee da. But if it's incorporated into a (insert future-current media format here) release, I'll be ticked. The old puppet is great!
Yes, Yoda looks like he's rooted to the ground in the scenes out in the swamp with the Dark Side Cave and the sunken X-Wing. No, the puppet didn't have a range of motion that allowed it to hop around and swing a lightsaber. But honestly, for all of Lucas' crying over the fact that Frank Oz wasn't nominated for an Academy award for his performance in Empire Strikes Back, he should just leave the puppet alone. When I hear about how much work Oz and Irvin Kirschner had to do to get everything set up in the Dagobah soundstage to get the puppet to work and then I hear that Lucas wants to replace the puppet with a digital creature, that's where I draw the line.
Most people on this forum would probably prefer that Lucas had never made the Special Edition in the first place, or perhaps more realistically, that he releases a DVD version of the original theatrical cut--warts and all. The Special Edition made a lot of "improvements" that were wholly unnecessary: Greedo shooting first, the Jabba sequence in ANH, and, most notably, the "Jedi Rocks!" sequence in ROTJ. But you know what? I can tolerate Sy Snootles strutting around on stage with the Yuzzum, I can deal with Han stepping on the tail of the giant slug that wants him dead, and I can even forgive the whole "Who shot first?" thing (notice I didn't mention the creepy addition of Hayden Christensen's mug over Sebastian Shaws's at the end of ROTJ...). But I cannot forgive this, not because I don't think that the films are Lucas' to tinker with for however long he likes (which I believe is his and only his right to do), but because it would destroy the amount of work that Oz and Kirschner and everyone else involved with ESB did to get the puppet to work. Lucas himself said in Empire of Dreams that the puppet was the most crucial point of ESB, that if it didn't look believable, the whole film would be crushed under the weight of the thing; it couldn't look like Mark Hamill was talking to Kermit the Frog. If that's the case, if Lucas really believes that they did a terrific job getting the creature to work, he should leave it alone.
Lucas and his editors should spend their time fixing things that their previous "fixes" have messed up: lightsaber consistency and clarity (Luke's saber changes color like 3 times in the galley of the Falcon during ANH!), the boxes around the TIE Fighters during the Escape from the Death Star, the "creative" switch of the left-right channels of the audio mix, and all manner of brightness and contrast problems.
Ok...I'm done. Sorry for the rant, but this bugs me. The bottom line is: George can change whatever he wants, but leave the puppet alone.
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Post by Seda Navilli on Dec 14, 2005 22:17:26 GMT -5
Good rant, I agree whole heartedly. Its not even just that the Yoda puppet took so much work - its that it took so much work, but worked brilliantly. It doesnt need to be changed, its that simple. Next thing you know they'll be superimposing Ewans face onto Alec's head for all of the movies...
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Dec 14, 2005 22:42:53 GMT -5
Good rant, I agree whole heartedly. Its not even just that the Yoda puppet took so much work - its that it took so much work, but worked brilliantly. It doesnt need to be changed, its that simple. Next thing you know they'll be superimposing Ewans face onto Alec's head for all of the movies... OH now you mention that.. and jut our luck Lucas will actally read this and think it's a brilliant idea and take that into consideration..... |
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Dec 14, 2005 23:03:44 GMT -5
Yeah this isn't a talk on episode 1.. just the orginals LOL
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