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Post by Kryy Jacobi on May 16, 2007 19:12:10 GMT -5
Since I am doing my own two part pattern, I made a muslin and then cut out and sewed my tunic from the waist up so I could alter my skirt pattern if needed before "committing" and cutting out the real skirt fabric. It was needed. I've had to rethink my skirt a bit, so I've looked at a ba-zillion tunic pictures this week for both men and women and have noticed something about "proportion". It seems that longer-waisted Jedi have longer "skirts" (Mace is a good example) and the shorter-waisted (e.g., Adi Gallia) have shorter skirts. It appears that there is roughly the same amount of "length" of torso above the belt as length of skirt below. In the case of the young Jedi with the shorter skirts, the length may be in the lower tabard rather than the tunic (e.g., teenaged Anakin), but there does seem to be some "balance" (pun intended) to make a pleasing proportion in the costume. As we've discussed in other threads, it does seem that the older masters have the longer skirts and some styles do go to the floor, but next time you're looking at pictures, see if you notice the half and half proportion thing. Thought this might be a help to others making their own patterns. I'd welcome feedback! Kryy
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on May 17, 2007 18:51:48 GMT -5
Oooh, interesting indeed. You body type would be the deciding factor on what length of tunic would look best on you.
The shorter tunic will tend to make your waist look shorter and your legs longer, especially if the tabards are long. This works best if you want to accentuate your natural body shape. However, if you want to de-emphasize your body shape (suppose you are a little middle-aged about the waistline) then the longer tunic will minimize how that looks.
The cut of the tunic makes a difference, too. No matter what your body shape is, the better the cut of the tunic matches the natural curves of your body, the better it will look on you.
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Post by Kryy Jacobi on May 29, 2007 18:32:39 GMT -5
Ani, exactly what you said (especially about the "middle")! And something else I discovered... if one is a bit "curvy", the Obi-Wan style tabards look better -- cuts down on bulk. I finally finished my costume!!! (jumps up and down and claps hands) Of course it was 2 AM on Saturday morning and I was going to an event at 7 that evening.
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Post by Ekeia Iclo on May 29, 2007 20:40:29 GMT -5
Oh, yall are good. I never would have thought about that aspect of the tunic. Ha, I'm petite and my tunic goes down to my knees. Not the best combination, but seeing as the pattern came from walmart, and i'm not the best sewer, it still looks pretty good. Just not all that flattering. ;D
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Post by Kryy Jacobi on May 30, 2007 17:33:30 GMT -5
Just keep tweaking! I'll try to sew just about anything I can't afford to buy -- curtains, costumes, etc. (may engage in a lot of analysis paralysis beforehand) -- but just don't look too closely at the stitching... Why don't you try pinning up the hem and seeing if you like it better?
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Post by Ky-Wan Zann on Jun 2, 2007 2:07:02 GMT -5
I noticed that to on the tunic apron as it's called, some like Mace, Qui-Gon and Old Obi-Wan have longer ones and younger Obi-Wan has a short one that gets longer through the films. Much like tha tabard thing, some jedi have em in the back, some het em to attach at the sash. Some jedi have really short aprons like Bultar Swan you always wanna make it long enough so your not pulling it down all the time and so you can move your arms and swing a saber a bit without too much re primping afterwards but short enough depending on your choice that you can still walk and not trip on your own tunics
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Post by Bryanakin on Jun 6, 2007 11:56:06 GMT -5
The skirt length was always a struggling issue for me as well especially when trying to duplicate a character's costume. In general, it seems that a good skirt length would fall to the mid thigh. I've seen some promo/reference photos that show the skirt being a bit shorter, falling to the upper thigh. www.padawansguide.com/photos/prozacship1.jpgThe above CIII exhibit photo shows Ani's skirt to be upper thigh (whereas other promotional photos show more mid thigh length). In contrast, Obi-Wan's skirt is clearly mid thigh. The inconsistencies are maddening.
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Post by Koda Vonnor on Jun 6, 2007 19:27:42 GMT -5
Regarding body type and tabards... I myself am a bit pear-shaped. Little too much "back" and hips. So I went for the Obi-Wan style tabs on the old-rep costume. It puts more bulk into the upper body to help balance out the .. um... lower center of gravity. ~ Katarn
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Post by Koda Vonnor on Jun 6, 2007 19:30:07 GMT -5
The skirt length was always a struggling issue for me as well especially when trying to duplicate a character's costume. In general, it seems that a good skirt length would fall to the mid thigh. I've seen some promo/reference photos that show the skirt being a bit shorter, falling to the upper thigh. www.padawansguide.com/photos/prozacship1.jpgThe above CIII exhibit photo shows Ani's skirt to be upper thigh (whereas other promotional photos show more mid thigh length). In contrast, Obi-Wan's skirt is clearly mid thigh. The inconsistencies are maddening. Wouldn't it depend on how loosely tucked his tunic is above the obi? If he pulls a lot of "give" into the torso area, the skirt would appear shorter. ~ Katarn
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Post by Kryy Jacobi on Jun 6, 2007 20:10:06 GMT -5
I think you are right about Anakin -- if he's been swinging his saber, the tunic will pull up and look shorter. If it's just a photo shoot, the costume people would adjust, adjust, adjust to make it look "pretty". Just from wearing the costume and striding around trying to look stately or whatever at AdCon my tunic and especially my tabards stated crawling upward every day about noon. From looking at the pictures from the Con (morning vs. afternoon), I realize I started looking more disheveled as the day wore on.... it's worse for women for obvious reasons. [Note to self: Must add snaps to waist to remedy this.]
The Obi-Wan style tabards do seem to help with the um.... back.... Too bad (or maybe good) that the robe covers it. That's my story and I'm sticking to it....
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Post by zhidon on Jun 7, 2007 9:39:53 GMT -5
Some of us [cause we are lazy and don't want to bother] have attached out tabbards to our obi. This eliminates the tabbard crawl altogether. That's what I did. I am also using the Qui-gon style tabbards [front and back coming out from underthe obi]. A little note. I was one of the first to have a brown undertunic. Once episode 3 came out, everyone has that color. I am going to switch to a creme/ivory colored under tunic. I don't like looking like everyone else. I am also dying my robe dark chocolate brown [ala Qui-gon] and probably dying my boots the same color.
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Post by Ky-Wan Zann on Jun 8, 2007 1:28:06 GMT -5
My costume is pretty secured, just always curious about the that apron, that can make or break or jedi outfit if it's too short or too long depending.
Alos sometimes they wear stunt costumes where things are shorter so they don't get caught as much. Some people make the tunic like a kimono and then sometimes peopl emake them like they are made in the films where the angle from the neck goes staight down. But ya can't see it cause it's under the tabards
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Post by defyitall on Jun 8, 2007 13:31:27 GMT -5
The thing with the CIII shots (or any shots on a manequin for that matter) is that they are made of very generic and specific body parts. They are kind of a model of human "perfection" and don't take into account if people have longer legs, longer torsos, etc. So if the tunics were cut for Hayden Cristensen's measurements and body types there's no guarantee the manequin will fit the same way.
Also, the people putting the costumes together don't always know what they are doing.
To answer the skirt length question, it does have everything to do with body type. I have short legs and a long torso. I need a very specific "middle" length skirt to keep myself from look too short or the tunic looking to small.
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Post by Darcu RyMal on Jun 8, 2007 13:57:00 GMT -5
When I created my tunic, I really relied upon reference pictures from SW Insider magazine, and stills from Episode III and interpreted the length for me based on how the tunic fell on Ewan. I basically looked at the most common way it fit him and adapted my pattern so the costume fit me in the same manner.
Of course, I'm 6' and Ewan is supposedly 5' 10", so I'm only a bit taller than he is.
My opinion, adapt the costume to fit you to your own preferences. Same as with fabrics...the gauze-type Indian homespun fabric doesn't sew easily or wear well, so I went with a linen (Calcutta) and it works great for wash-n-wear, and looks perfectly screen-accurate in person!
~Darcu
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Post by defyitall on Jun 14, 2007 14:06:11 GMT -5
You've brought up the most important point. You can go screen accurate sizing but you also need to remember that the stuff has to fit your body. Sizes and measurements may need ot be increased or decreased depending on your body shape.
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