JediKai
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Post by JediKai on Aug 6, 2006 16:48:36 GMT -5
I jusually just make the tunic the same as the overtunic but make the band a little narrower (as in Yor Kolash's photo). However, the same pattern can be altered to do the neckline as illustrated above. I've made one like that, too.
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Post by Nova Darklighter on Aug 6, 2006 23:01:27 GMT -5
I usually do that too, just make the tunic part as the outer, but with a thinner band and a neck that closes higher/tighter, and of course the tighter sleeves and a bit shorter than the tunic.
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Post by Cronto Tocrone on Sept 17, 2006 22:30:54 GMT -5
so basically the inner tunic, is a smaller outer tunic
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Post by Nova Darklighter on Sept 20, 2006 0:46:31 GMT -5
that would be it.
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Sept 20, 2006 20:56:18 GMT -5
Yes, the inner tunic is very similar to the tunic, except in some specific areas:
-- narrow and long at the wrists. -- higher collar than outer tunic so the under tunic can be seen at the neck underneath. -- no tucks at the shoulders. -- undertunic fits closer to the body. Since there are multiple layers worn over the tunic, it's best that the undertunic not use that much fabric.
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Post by Cronto Tocrone on Sept 20, 2006 21:35:42 GMT -5
okay so about how much fabric would I need to just make the Inner and Outer Tunic
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Post by JediKai on Sept 24, 2006 15:59:45 GMT -5
depends on how tall and big you are. Can't say, really. Look on the pattern. I use about 3-4 yards for each. Then the tabbards and obi require more.
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Post by Koda Vonnor on Sept 26, 2006 11:18:02 GMT -5
Just wanted to share a few sketches on how I made both of my inner tunics. These are not canon by any means, just stuff I figured out by a lot of thinking and a lot of mistakes. Take them or leave them, I hope it helps someone. These mainly focus on keeping the neckline high and the "V" crossover tight. NOTE: These tips are for stretchy fabrics (like crinkle gauze) only. If your fabric has no flex to it, you have to allow more room! (Trust me. I ruined one undertunic already) UnderTunic1.jpgUnderTunic2.jpgUnderTunic3.jpgsketch1.jpgsketch2.jpgLastly, I recommend you think twice before you cut once. Make sure everything seems right. Try to remember to leave room for seam allowances (5/8" typ.), that has always been my biggest failing in sewing. ~ Koda
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Post by Koda Vonnor on Sept 26, 2006 11:38:26 GMT -5
okay so about how much fabric would I need to just make the Inner and Outer Tunic I am very tall, and I buy 3 to 3.5yds for the inner tunic (depends on width of fabric bolt) and 5yds for the outer tunic. Yes I have a bit left over when I'm done, but it's better than running out. ~ Vonnor
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Post by Kryy Jacobi on Sept 26, 2006 18:23:56 GMT -5
I'd like to know some pros/cons about different ways to fasten the undertunic -- whether snaps, hooks, ties, whatever. I am wondering about "pulling" at the waist (i.e., yanking the snap or tie right out out of the fabric right in the middle of a good saber swing) but also bumps from fasteners either showing through the top layer or stabbing/chafing under the obi or belt. I know in the "perfect" Star Wars universe that there probably IS no fastener (e.g. Anakin AOTC) and that the outer tunic and obi, etc., would hold the underlayer closed for Jedi ladies and gents. [Yeah... and in the "perfect" Star Wars universe, tabards never slip off the shoulders and hoods never turn inside out, and good Jedi never step on the hem of their robes and land on their backsides... ] So does anyone have a preference -- or disaster -- to share? That's about the only thing I have left to do on the inner tunic, and I have made a "final decision" on the closure about 6 different times! [no "closure" on the closure.... LOL]
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Oct 1, 2006 1:45:01 GMT -5
Aaaaaaah, the closure on the undertunic. I am still fussing with that.
The big problem is getting the V-neck to lay flat and be seen under the tunic. A stretchy fabric allows for a shirt that fits closer to the body under the tunic, but the stretch makes it hard for the collar of the undertunic to lay flat. I try not to get fabric that has too much stretch. Crinkle cotton is OK, but t-shirt material is a little too much, though I have made it work. The undertunics I've tried are comfortable, but they look odd by themselves. Fortunately, most of the undertunic is covered by the tunic.
For a shirt made with two overlapping sides for the front:
I've tried ties and they work OK, but, they never seem to get the V-neck to lay flat against the skin. The same happens for velcroing the two flaps of the undertunic.
I have also had a lot of trouble positioning both ties and velcro. To get the undertunic to lay flat around the neck, I end up practically putting ties or velcro practically under my arms. The shirt looks very strange, but since it's covered up by the tunic, that isn't a big deal, but it's annoying.
I have never tried snaps or hooks&eyes, but I assume that I would have the same problems.
The overlapping front on the undertunic also gives you more fabric that has to be under everything else, which I try to avoid.
For a shirt made with a V-neck just under the collar--just a regular pull over shirt, with the overlapping part only around the neck, similar to the V-neck you would see on a scrubs shirt, but larger, higher and closer to the neck:
This is the easiest type of shirt to put on, and you don't have that extra flap of fabric. But with any stretch to the fabric, the collar just never lays flat without the tunic on to hold it in place.
My proposed solution is to put a small bit of velcro right at the V of the V-neck to hold it in place. I can loosen it to put the shirt on and take it off, but use the velcro to hold the collar closed. I haven't tried that yet, but I think it will work.
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Post by Kryy Jacobi on Oct 2, 2006 17:56:04 GMT -5
Hmmmm... Hmmmm... This is very interesting... I think I am going to take BOTH of your ideas, and it should work perfectly! Thanks for the great suggestions! The pattern I used is a wrap-around close-fitting "tunic" style -- McCall's #4007: www.mccallpattern.com/item/M4007.htmand I altered the sleeves and also the length, so it would "hit" at mid-hip (somewhere between the length of Views C & D). It has this wrap-around sash ("cute") thing that I omitted, but the wrap part of the shirt goes all the way to the seam on each side. So I think I will sew these down from the waist to the hem, changing the tunic to a slip-over, and put a fastener or fasteners to keep the neck flat -- one sort of on the mid to upper bust and another, if necessary, closer up toward the throat. I'm liking this plan! (And I'm thinking this will be a sewing night after the dishes are done ... ;D I wanted to get the undertunic done before getting too serious on the outer tunic pattern...) I like this McCall's pattern a lot -- it was suggested on Padawan's Guide -- it has darts on the front and back which are more friendly to the female shape, and it has instructions for altering for short or long waist, thin or thick arms, etc. It's very adaptable. BUT I used a crinkle gauze which is a lot stretchier than what I'm sure the pattern designer intended, so I'm planning to post a pic and some tips when I finish. (I had to redo the neck trim -- crinkle gauze does NOT do well with iron on interfacing! ) Thanks for the great ideas!! Kryy P.S. Read your "back story" - hilarious!! ;D
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Post by Kryy Jacobi on Oct 2, 2006 22:40:18 GMT -5
"Master Pinn" (who's to say otherwise? ;D) -- it worked perfectly! I sewed the side seams together and have been wearing it around the house all night. (My husband thinks I'm nuts....)
I think I'll wait until I do the outer tunic to determine where the inner tunic neck fasteners(s) need to be for "proper" dress. Right now I'm in "slob mode" -- it stays closed anyway and it is SO comfortable...
Need to post some pics....
Thanks so much!!
Kryy
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Post by Kryy Jacobi on Oct 2, 2006 22:45:18 GMT -5
P.S. It DOES pull at the waist, as I thought it might with ties or other fasteners, but it's now a non-issue. Plus, I now know where the waist needs to be on the outer tunic and where I need to put a dart in the tabbards -- at the point where it "bunches up".
Hope this will be helpful to others....
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Post by Nova Darklighter on Oct 5, 2006 0:58:53 GMT -5
I have been modify-ing my undertunic patterns again, so they are usually crinkle cotton, they are now shorter in length, longer in sleeve, but very narrow for the last 18 to 24 inches, they cross in front to each side, I use lt wt snaps, never had problem with the neck not showing. I don't use interfacing in my bias cut neckbantds, just fold in 1/2 to desiered width.
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