imposing a rank system

[nassik]

That's a good way to sum it up.

[Ky-Wan Zann]

I'll agree as well. Perhaps other groups might wish to try the ranking system, but for a costuming only group......this one seem to work fine as is. '

But I'm glad to hear offers of possible ideas from other members. Keeps us all on our toes and working around new ideas and the mission statement of the site.

[jedi12]

I agree we are a costuming only group

[Shoshana Win]

monkeyjumpgod said:

alright, so its still canon, just not for lucas reperesenting, right?

Hmm, that's a tricky question, and one that we have debated extensively. In terms of costumes, an EU costume would not be considered "canon" for a Lucasfilm event (unless, of course, they gave us permission to allow them). I believe that what we have come to agree on is that anything that comes DIRECTLY from George, meaning that he makes the major decisions about, and not just a general guideline, is considered canon. Which is why we limit "canon" right now to the movies, Clone Wars cartoon, and the upcoming TV series. And which is why the Jedi Order ranks in the books and video games aren't considered "canon," as he doesn't directly oversee their development, just approves the storyline in general.

But back to the main point ;D, like several others have said, we are a costuming group and not a role-playing group, which is why we don't have ranks.

[methos]

ok, so if not a rank system, why not the grey and black jedi robes?

the rebel legion accepts them as new jedi order formally, why dont we?

[JediKai]

Well, we've been over this a lot. We are light side, saga jedi costuming group. We have different goals and purpose then the Rebel Legion. That, alone, drives the kind of costumes we accept. My recommendation is that you read through forums to get an overall picture of what this group is about.

when I joined, I read every, single thread. Of course, it was easier then as there were fewer.

[Mon-Jas Charan]

Duct Tape Please

[methos]

jedikai said:

Well, we've been over this a lot. We are light side, saga jedi costuming group. We have different goals and purpose then the Rebel Legion. That, alone, drives the kind of costumes we accept. My recommendation is that you read through forums to get an overall picture of what this group is about.

when I joined, I read every, single thread. Of course, it was easier then as there were fewer.

so, although luke skywalker wears black and runs a jedi academy, he's apart of the darkside anyway..

so what are your goals in purposes? no offence, but as it seems to me, most everyone here bases their costumes off of two jedi. two....dos for our hispanic friends...

why dont you just call it the jedi collection if everyone's going to emulate the same two people? to be an assembly is to be a union of unique beings under one purpose, and as far as i can see here, uniqueness is uncommon.

[Shoshana Win]

methos said:

so, although luke skywalker wears black and runs a jedi academy, he's apart of the darkside anyway..

We DO accept Luke's black ROTJ costume as canon, as long as it is precisely replicated. And no-one said that we consider him to be a part of the darkside, he is definitely a lightside character. As a matter of fact, Tanthos has a really nice replica Luke ROTJ costume! The fact that he runs the new Jedi Academy is part of the EU though, which again is why we don't consider that aspect of his character to be "canon."

As for the uniqueness of our group and our costumes, I have been here for a long, long time (since the beginning actually ;D), and trust me, we have a lot of unique people and a lot of unique costumes here. We also have a lot of people who really LIKE those two Jedi you are referring to, including myself, who have PURPOSEFULLY made their costumes a reflection of that. There's certainly nothing wrong with that!

[Koda Vonnor]

Let's get all of our cards on the table, shall we?

Unless we are trying to recreate an exact 'face' character, we costume as "rank and file" light-side Jedi. To the best as we can discover using canon sources (defined in great detail in other posts), we ask "What would an organization of light-side Jedi look like?" How would they dress?

"...we limit "canon" right now to the movies, Clone Wars cartoon, and the upcoming TV series." - Council member Win

The only real examples of this (canon that is) do not imply that rank-and-file light-side Jedi did, or would, in any time period that we have yet seen, wear black or grey.

Now back to the 'cards' reference, if I may.

Let's face it, black is strong. Black is kick***, bad***, and powerful. Black is unique and makes one stand out from the pack. Black is killer-wicked-cool. Black gets the adrenaline flowing and makes you go "HE** YEAH!!" when you see it.

That, among other things, is a main reason why some Star Wars costumers are attracted to dark-color Jedi costumes.

As an unrelated point, and I do emphasize UNRELATED (to avoid the flaming), I for one would wonder why pick a rank-and-file light-side Jedi costuming organization if my goals were to be "kick***", "bad***", powerful, unique, killer-wicked-cool, and to stand out from the pack, when we saw nothing but the opposite character qualities being consistently preached and emanated from canon light-side Jedi. Granted those could be seen as "role-play" qualities and not costuming issues, but that's just me.

Black and grey are allowed, (in the case of non-face-characters) with some restrictions, in other fine established Star Wars costuming organizations (Rebel Legion for one).

The Jedi Assembly has (I am sure after MUCH heated debate) established a more narrowly defined scope for its costuming requirements. That is their prerogative as an organization.

A great many costumers, myself included, both have more than one costume, and belong to more than one costuming organization. Some make their costume(s) first, and then find an organization that fits their costume. Others find an organization and make a costume that fits the organization.

Either way works.

~ Bill "Koda" Costigan

[Mon-Jas Charan]

Pardon me, Methos, have you even read, Article II. Membership Requirements and Article V. Costuming and Membership Requirements. If you have your heart set on a Grey to Black Jedi Costume please go over to The Dark Alliance. They specialize in Sith Costuming.

[Olos Nay]

Wow...
over again on the "why not taking that colors"...

everytime this debate starts, I like to point out several facts of life and of the star wars universe... hoping it will help with the debate.

First of, when you want to join an organisation, the "member candidate" should be the one managing to fullfill the requirements. Nobody says you NEED to be part of wichever associations to have a great costume and have fun in conventions. We'll even have fun with you and accept you on the forum with whatever costume, and even without any costumes at all.
Now if you want to be part of one said organisation, this organisation shouldn't have to change their rules to accept you.
In the case of a grey, black or blue jedi, there ARE places where they are tolerated: Rebel Legion, The Dark Alliance and the 501st to a certain point.

NOW... the Jedi Assembly is the organisation of the "common" light-side Jedi.
Look on Geonosis in the attack of the clones. All various Jedi, mainly shades of beige and brown. Canon source indicates that the Jedi doesn't want to disgress that generic look being part of their traditions. If TJA was to tolerate every members to have mainly beige plus one accessory in any shade of colors, then a group shot would not be majoritarily beige and brown, but a rainbow of colors.

For those reasons, the Jedi Council of TJA decided to go with earth tone, and earth tone ONLY. This being said, LFL recognises TJA as a JEDI costumed group for this specific reason.

Anybody making a kick ass custom blue jedi costume might have a great costume, I'd be glad to see it in conventions and would for sure want pictures taken with it, but it is NOT part of what TJA wants to do... plus TJA offers the possibility to have some "expanded universe" costumes for face-character as long as you specifically recreate and document it... which leave a LOT of flexibility.

ALL IN ALL, the matter is more for the costumer to make his own personnal choices... I know that a blue stormtrooper, as cute as it can be, won't be allowed in the 501st, so I'll join another group with my bluetrooper, people with a blue jedi costume should do the same about TJA.

joking aside, I don't have a blue trooper, and when I decided to be part of TJA I didn't go the blue jedi route either.

[Leda EmBorr]

monjas said:

Duct Tape Please

Duct tape---coming at you!

[Olos Nay]

Duct tape is like the Force.
There's a light side, and a dark side, and it holds the universe together.

[Quick2]

Well I believe This Thread has answered what questions one would have about TJA. I know before I joined I read just as Jedi Kai did ..I Read through many many threads on the group and Costuming Standards. It very much explains everything you need to know. simple as that.. Peace, Quick2