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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Oct 20, 2005 23:07:03 GMT -5
Both Obi-Wan and Yoda were raised in the Jedi Order. One might think that since they already had the children who they thought could somehow, someday defeat the evil Sith Lord running the galaxy that they would automatically want to raise them, and train them the Jedi way.
Why didn't they? It seems like it would be a natural choice for them.
Aaaaaaaa, but Yoda did NOT want Anakin trained as a Jedi even after he'd seen his midichlorine count and had accepted that Anakin could be the chosen one. So, what did Yoda think was going to happen to the chosen one if he wasn't trained by the Jedi? I suppose he thought the Force would guide events. So, being the highest ranking, surviving Jedi, Yoda chose to do things the way he would have preferred in the first place and not train Anakin's children. I don't think it was just Anakin's age that made Yoda not want to train Anakin; that was just an excuse. He wasn't too thrilled with teaching Luke either, but he was less adamant about it.
Whether or not Anakin was trained, the Jedi would still have had a Sith Lord under their noses for more than a decade. That problem was independent of what Anakin was doing and was the real reason why they were destroyed.
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Post by kivaanzion on Oct 22, 2005 21:02:22 GMT -5
The only reason I can think of is that Obi-Wan and Yoda were basically fugitives of the Empire. If they were ever discovered and had the twins with them, the twins would be in the hands of the Empire (or killed outright)- that was a chance that absolutely could not be taken.
Giving them foster parents was an extra step at hiding their identities.
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Oct 22, 2005 21:06:51 GMT -5
Seems reasonable. And Obi-wan was always watching over Luke afarid of anything that may betray Luke to the wrong side
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Oct 23, 2005 12:04:42 GMT -5
Yeah, I think the security issue is probably the big reason that Yoad and Obi-Wan did not foster Luke and Leia themselves. They were wanted, but the Lars and Organa families were not.
Another interesting point is that Yoda and Obi-Wan did not consider keeping the line of the Jedi Order going to be as important as Luke and Leias' safety. Yoda told Luke to pass on what he'd learned, but that was more of a deathbed afterthought. As far as we know, they only acted to sheild Luke and Leia from their familial destiny until they were older and it couldn't be avoided. They seem to have accepted that the old order was done and gone and moved on from that.
Their choice also shows that any child with Jedi potential need not be aware of that. It may translate into some unusual abilities or insights, but they seem to be able to do fine without ever even knowing they have it.
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Oct 23, 2005 13:57:30 GMT -5
Well in the book Obi-wan said he was going to take Luke to train him but Yoda said no.
He said that when the time is right the children would come to them for the training.
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Post by Andle Di-Ranos on Oct 23, 2005 13:58:10 GMT -5
in my point of view both luke and leia where strong in the force so to someone say the emperor it would be like a tracking signal constantly giving off so they split them up and put them in familys that are not strong and are on different worlds. But still leia was right in front of vader and he didn't sense her.
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Oct 24, 2005 1:30:14 GMT -5
Holes and more holes...
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Post by Starkindler (The Naked Jedi) on Oct 24, 2005 22:03:45 GMT -5
VAder didn't know there was anyone to be looking for. Obi-Wan and Yoda maybe, but not the twins. The Emperor didn't know they were alive either.
Untrained, Luke and Leia had the best chance of remaining undectected (and thus alive and un-sithified) until they were old enough to be both trained and ready to fight "daddy". their training would likely have alerted Vader or Palpy to their existance and whereabouts.
Remember, Vader sensed the Force to be strong in Luke at the Death Star battle, but had no clue who it was.
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Oct 26, 2005 22:44:56 GMT -5
You're right! Not being trained was part of their camouflage. Yes, that would be an extremely good reason for Ben and Yoda not to train Luke and Leia. Yet more evidence that they considered their safety to be more important than continuing the Old Jedi Order. A Sith isn't going to detect a potential Jedi if they haven't been trained, even close up and with a mind probe like Vader did with Leia. This implies that there could be plenty of Jedi material for Luke to start a new order with.
The Emperor seemed unusually blind to Luke's presence even after he had been trained. Had the emperor gotten to be so dark that he couldn't see the light side of the Force anymore?
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Post by Cara Drume on Oct 27, 2005 9:41:00 GMT -5
Mmm...just goes to show why not to dabble in the Dark Side.
That's a funny thing about the darkness, though. Even one candle can send it away.
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Oct 31, 2005 16:59:46 GMT -5
Well I am sure there were many people out there that had strong force. Like in Soldier for the Empire. The main character Kyle went to the imperial academy and graduated. He ended up being a Jedi. I am sure there were many who had power's dormant. They wern't a threat to the Empire.
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Post by Cha-Al Pesan on Nov 1, 2005 18:36:42 GMT -5
I agree with all of you on hiding Luke and Leia but I also think Yoda doesn't train them because when he is fighting Palpatine he realizes that the Jedi have been training wrong for the last millenia. So by not give Luke and Leia the traditional Jedi training they would learn a new way and the Jedi would finally be able to defeat the Sith again.
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Nov 1, 2005 19:31:02 GMT -5
Hmmm... I think I thought about that but I kept forgetting to mention it.
That does make much more sense though. Training them the way they knew would have been a failure. Like mentioned a new form of trainng was needed. As well as the jedi of Old didnt' even see that Palpy was the one they were looking for.
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Nov 1, 2005 23:14:09 GMT -5
We don't really get much of the thought process behind Yoda and Obi-Wans' decision. I suppose there may BE no thinking process. Their decision could be completely intuitive, not a rationally deduced plan of action at all. That's not very satisfying for an audience watching a story. That makes it pretty tough to get into the characters' heads, which takes some of the fun out of it.
But still, it's pretty clear, that when Yoda tells Bail that he's failed and he must go into exile, that he wasn't going to be the one to defeat the Sith. Obi-Wan was in the same boat. They didn't know how to fix things, but they were positive that what they'd been doing before didn't work.
But if they'd trained Luke and Leia, what would it be for? Revenge? That's not the Jedi style at all. They trained Anakin and that didn't work out. They did their best to give his kids as normal a life as possible growing up. They threw everything up in the air, trusting the Force and Luke and Leia to find a way. I think that they had complete faith that their fate and the Force would find them. Obi-Wan and Yoda only jumped back into the game when they were asked to, first by Bail and then Luke.
One of the reasons why Palpatine was so successful is that he set himself up so that attacking him put the attacker at risk of going over to the dark side. He corrupted Dooku before Anakin and the Jedi Council had been positive that it couldn't have happened before they realized it had. Had Obi-Wan and Yoda figured out that they couldn't fight that with the old ways?
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