Aayla
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'excitement, Adventure jedi craves not these things'
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Post by Aayla on May 8, 2005 14:54:53 GMT -5
haha im so glad anakin is not promoted to jedi master yes hes on the council but ha ha no jedi master for you my vader sorry i just dont like anakin hes mean he kills younglings
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Post by Valis Korriban on May 23, 2005 9:53:25 GMT -5
I agree *hee hee* (hides his Anakin outfit)
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on May 23, 2005 14:59:18 GMT -5
He did have a hissy fit over not being promoted to master. Not very mature at all in that.
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Post by Jedimom/Cor-Al Gelkar on May 23, 2005 15:17:25 GMT -5
When has Annakin ever been mature? The closest thing we see is when he actually tells Obi to have patience when stuck in the ray shield waiting for R2.
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on May 23, 2005 19:48:02 GMT -5
Yeah, only on rare occassions do you see Anakin display anything but basic maturity. He generally wants to do good, but he seems to unconsciously think that it will be something that he'd want to do for himself anyway, like the pod racing. Like I've said so many times before, Luke was so much more of an adult than his father ever was at the same age.
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Post by Sef-FireMoon on May 24, 2005 7:52:02 GMT -5
I agree, I am glad the he was not promoted to master, but if you read the book he was upset because he wanted to have the knowledge to save Padme's life & to do that he wanted access to the jedi holocrons & only a master is allowed to do access them, hence his immature reaction to the lack of promotion. They should have expleained that better in the movie.
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on May 24, 2005 16:40:38 GMT -5
Whether he was a master or not, Anakin could have asked Obi-Wan for help on saving Padme. He would have had to admit that he was the father of her children and risk getting booted from the Jedi Order. He wanted to save Padme, but he didn't want risk losing anything himself while doing it.
Another glaring example of Anakin's flaws is when he attacked Mace Windu for deciding to kill Palpatine.because it wasn't the "Jedi Way." Um, and killing Count Dooku in the beginning of the movie was? Anakin was on shaky ground for awhile.
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Post by Parga Carwis on May 25, 2005 1:11:56 GMT -5
...but if you read the book he was upset because he wanted to have the knowledge to save Padme's life ... Not to mention that he went a bit farther in the book on his rant when they told him he would not be a Master...
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Post by Rünya I’shiego on May 25, 2005 6:34:24 GMT -5
Whether he was a master or not, Anakin could have asked Obi-Wan for help on saving Padme. He would have had to admit that he was the father of her children and risk getting booted from the Jedi Order. He wanted to save Padme, but he didn't want risk losing anything himself while doing it.In the book Anakin was willing to do this. His wife was more important to him than the Jedi were. Padme stopped him and insisted that he was the Republic's hero and that he couldn't risk doing anything to get kicked out of the Order. That's why she also offered to go back to Naboo to give birth. (I'm not exactly sure why she thought this would prevent anyone from connecting her pregnancy to Anakin. I mean, if you go into a place pregnant and come out not, then obviously you had a kid . . . or twins in her case . . . and if anyone really wanted to know about them, they'd find out anyway. ) Another glaring example of Anakin's flaws is when he attacked Mace Windu for deciding to kill Palpatine.because it wasn't the "Jedi Way." Um, and killing Count Dooku in the beginning of the movie was? Anakin was on shaky ground for awhile.
Again, the book explained this a lot better than the movie: Anakin didn't intend to kill Dooku when he first won the fight. He gave into his emotions and to Palpatine who was sitting there whispering dark encouragement. Anakin was pretty rattled by having killed in the book (and to an extent, in the movie as well) so Palpatine offered more reassurances and promised not to tell anyone, reminding Anakin how he didn't tell anyone about all the Tuskens Anakin killed after his mother died. Remember who Palpatine is. He's pretty good at influencing folks with the Dark Side. Anakin does have a lot of character flaws (obviously, he wouldn't have turned if he didn't). He follows a twisted sort of logic that doesn't make a great deal of sense most of the time, and he is annoyingly immature. That rant at being denied Mastership was really pathetic. Maybe that's why he's such a great bad-guy to hate. Like everyone else said, Luke is a lot more mature than Anakin. ;D
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Post by Rünya I’shiego on May 29, 2005 9:36:11 GMT -5
Wow, I didn't mean to kill this thread. I'm sorry if I offended anyone, I wasn't trying to be obnoxious. And I definitely wasn't trying to upset or cut you down, Ani-Chay.
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on May 29, 2005 10:21:03 GMT -5
Huh? I didn't really disagree with your last post. I haven't read the book, so all I can say is that the book and the movie presentations seem to diverge. That kind of thing happens. < shrug > I have yet to figure out why people wander off from threads; holidays, loss of interest, spending more time on to other topics....hint, hint; anyone reading this should go to the Celectration III discussion area and see if you can idenfiy any of the unknowns in the Jedi Assembly pictures.
One clear pattern I see with Anakin is his failure to apply the rules to himself that are expected of others in his positon. Even worse, he gets mad at people for breaking rules that he has made excuses why they don't apply to him. And he blames other people when he gets frustrated. He has so much power with the Force, he's so skillful that he doesn't seem to be able to handle it when things don't work out for him. Notice how he led the attack in the opening battle of ROTS? Obi-Wan made good decisions, but he was barely keeping up with Anakin with the action. It was the same way in the cartoon, too.
Anakin never seems to think that HE might have to change himself to resolve a problem. That's always something that OTHER people need to do.
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Post by Qual Totem on Jun 1, 2005 15:04:59 GMT -5
obviosly he has a weird idea of common sense considering he thinks by killing younglings and jedi that he will learn to save Padme yeah that makes sense!
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Post by kivaanzion on Jun 1, 2005 21:19:45 GMT -5
Ok I'm going to come to Anakin's defense a bit here: He really didn't have much choice once he killed Mace now did he? If he had changed his mind and chose to fight the Emperor he probably would have ended up with a face full of Sith lightning, ultimately lying dead right beside where Mace landed. So after Mace's death- it's all about survival to Anakin, not only for Padme but for himself as well. He has to stay alive to protect Padme (by learning the power to cheat death), and since he is still a Jedi, if he didn't join the Emperor, he would be finished. At this point he feels he has no choice but to make a deal with the devil. So why kill younglings? Because Padme was more important to him- and if he didn't go through with it, the Emperor would have Anakin wiped out. Anakin had to go along with everything the Emperor wanted until he felt he was powerful enough to destroy the Emperor on his own (he does tell Padme that he will overthrow the Emperor so they can rule the galaxy together). But above all this- Anakin believes he is doing the right thing ( "I have brought peace, justice, freedom and security to my new Empire"). That's what makes a great villain- they don't understand that what they are doing is wrong. What is interesting is the scene on Mustafar just after Anakin has killed all the Separatist leaders (Nute Gunray, etc). As he stands on the balcony and looks out at the lava flow, is that a tear running down his cheek? Is he aware of all the evil acts he has committed, and realizes what he has become?
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Jun 2, 2005 15:06:47 GMT -5
He really didn't have much choice once he killed Mace now did he? Yes. Actually he did have a choice. That was the whole point of Return of the Jedi. I suppose he wasn't emotionally in the right place to make that choice until he saw Sidius frying his son, but he always had a choice. Even after killing Mace, Anakin was powerful enough to have a good shot at taking out Sidius. In the end, he was powerful enough, even crippled in the Vader suit; as far as I know Sidius was as strong as ever in ROTJ.
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Post by Qual Totem on Jun 2, 2005 17:46:18 GMT -5
and all about survival for him and Padme then why choke her? i don't mind you defending the old Anakin but trying to defend after pledging to Sidious then again we should forgive people for their faults
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