Article - Zero Point Field

[Leda EmBorr]

Anim8r sent me this article. I had heard of the zero pint field before, but I never read anything thing that actually related it to Star Wars, or the Force.

www.quantumbiocommunication.com/consciousness/top-scientists-validating-the-supernatural-universe.html

I find this whole website to be pretty interesting, as a matter of fact:
www.quantumbiocommunication.com/blog/consciousness/

[Leda EmBorr]

It says in the article that:

"The Field (a book) tells the story of respected frontier scientists all over the globe who have produced extraordinary evidence to show that an energy field -The Zero Point Field - connects everything in the universe, and we ourselves are part of this vast dynamic cobweb of energy exchange.

The Field also reveals a radical new biological paradigm-that on our most fundamental level, the human mind and body are not distinct and separate from their environment, but a packet of pulsating energy constantly interacting with this vast energy sea."

This is what I've always believed.... but it's great that it's finally being researched. It just makes everything else make sense.

[Jauhzmynn Enz]

Strange huh?
It matches my theory of the universes' having a manner of hamornics.
Hopefully they'er Zero Point Energy feild theory can be proven, or it'll merely be another delusion.

[Leda EmBorr]

Well, it makes sense because everything resonates. I like to compare the space betwen things to water. Every little movement creates waves, and it just makes sense that those waves can be felt, and likewise, manipulated.

*sings Beach Boys tune* Good, good , good, good vibrations.... ;D

[Tobbok Nassias]

It isn't just "finally" being studied; this is predicted by the theories surrounding Quantum Mechanics...more specifically string theory. You see, we know matter is composed of ever smaller units...but there has to be a "smallest" unit somewhere, before matter breaks down into pure energy. A molecule is broken into atoms, atoms into subatomic particles (electrons, protons, and neutrons), sub atomic particle into quarks, quarks into alpha and beta particles, and so on and so on; Until you reach the "string" with is a small packet of vibrating matter that is simplest form of matter composed not of more matter, but only of energy. The frequency of vibration (resonance freq.) defines what it becomes when it is paired with other strings. A single string will flux in and out of it's matter state and energy state, until stabilized by other strings. This of course leads to many other theories, but I believe you get the idea. If you want to know more, I suggest reading Steven Hawking's "Universe in a Nutshell," which deals more with hard science than the not-so-objective article on "Zero point fields."

[Leda EmBorr]

Yes! I have read that book, and also Brian Greene's "The Elegant Universe" which is all about string theory. What I should have said was that I'm glad it's finally being validated. I'm seeing articles about it in more mainstream publications. Public interest is a step toward social acceptance of a theory (and funding for research), even if it's not fully understood by those accepting it. Strange how that works.

Also, I've read alot about string theory in relation to the search for a unified "theory of everything", but I have not read much mainstream material that scientifically connects it to bio-communication, or eastern healing arts, homeopathy, etc.

I'm hoping that this will eventually enlighten the medical community. I'm sick of doctors refusing to send me to even the chiropractor for treatment.

[Tobbok Nassias]

Yeah, I get a little fed up with the medical community as a whole. Not so much for not acceting of "alternitive medicine," as for it's perversion and mal-practice (although, I don't mean that as in Mal-practice law suits which are utter crap in my openion...ask me if you want to know what I mean). I will have my B.S. in biology in May, I was pre-med, but I am now pre-grad. Seeing the medical field exposed, I changed to the Pre-grad track, but that still puts me in all the pre-med classes anyway. Though I am a scientist by all means, I do not discredit alternitive medicine, afterall some of it is truely effective....but parts of it are simply psycological with little true medicine at all; however, that in itself gives way to questions about the "mind over matter" concept.

[Leda EmBorr]

Mind-over-matter to an extent, can be traced bio-chemically. That alone is an interesting field. Psycosomatic illness, the phantom limb, the placebo effect... In my opinion, the human body is capable of much more than most of us believe. Maybe string theory will unify much more than relativity and quantum mechanics, and truly be the theory of everything!


Now, if I could just grow some new teeth.....

[Ani-Chay Pinn]

Oooooh, not zero point energy, again (spoken with the same tone one might acquire after seeing a tuna fish sandwich for lunch for the 27th day in a row)

While the connection between the physical and the metaphysical is a cool pursuit, this zero point business just hasn't delivered the goods. It's been around for over 10 years or longer and hasn't produced squat. No experiments, no referred articles, no serious math, nothing that anyone else can grab onto and drive around the block. It just hasn't gotten past the philosophizing department.

Zero point fields are really only good for powering up the Stargate.

[Xana]

........... powering up the Stargate. LOL!

This doesn't sound like somethng you can experiment on. Is it? It's a world view that may or may not work, but makes sense.

Ok, nevermind, Ani makes sense, and anything I would say would be philosophizing, so there.

[Ani-Chay Pinn]

Yes, zero point fields are great plot devices for alien technology on the Stargate TV series, but not much else. It's never gotten past the concept stage. The thing to look for with cool technology is when multiple groups start trying out real hardware and publishing papers. That's the exciting part.

[Tobbok Nassias]

Thanks Ani-Chay Pinn, you said what I really wanted to say. The truth is, if it can't be reasonably and repeatedly tested...it isn't science, and no one with any real science back ground is going to treat it as such unless the philosophers can give us some related...otherwise unexplainable (but measurable)... phenominon associated. Basicaly it is the same reason why Scientists can't use science as a way to say that "God does exist," if you can't put it in a bottle and study it...you can't prove or disprove it's existance. I'm afraid zero point fields are just beyond the scope of real science. I will say, as earlier, the best hope we have for anything even remotely related is within the realm of quantum physics, but even there we are just now "cutting our teeth," or so to speak.

[Leda EmBorr]

I suppose that's where science closes its mind.

Understandably so.


"The highest happiness of man is to have probed what is knowable,
and to quietly revere what is unknowable."
~Wolfgang von Goethe

[Jauhzmynn Enz]

Actually a true scientist doesn't close is or her mind to God and his affect on the universes.
Maybe the super string theory and ZPE feild might, and I mean Might, be similar or the same thing. Machio kako has excellant books on Super string theory and hyperspace.

it's hard to measure because we've no clue were to start. How does one measure a tingling sensation in the hands when they'er placed close together to form a CHi ball? The person doing can sense something, someone standing near putting THEIR hand between the other's knows there's something, neither cna see it visually. Maybe this dilema is the same with the ZPE feild.We don't know enough yet on how some laws of physics work under quantum situations.
When Einstien came up with his theory, folsk thought he was crazy, but it started with a though, just like this conundrum of a theory.

[Ani-Chay Pinn]

The definition for scientist doesn't include or exclude the God concept at all. That's just off in it's own philosophical area entirely. The pursit of science is the act of testing things. While the scientist may use the fire and water concepts of desire and feeling to choose to pursue science, they must always be subject to the air and earth concepts of intellect and common sense. If it can't be recreated, poked at, stretched, stressed or otherwise examined by others, it's not science. It's something else.

Actually, when Einstein first proposed his theory it was a hit right away. Lorenz's work had sort of broken the ice already. People noticed, but things move slow in science, so it still took Einstein a little time to get a decent job even after he published.