The Jedi trials

[modeleers]

Yes a Test. But I would amend that to say not only to test their worst "fear".
It would be necessary to test and discover a Jedi's personal 'limitations'.
Some Jedi might not 'fear' anything at all. They might be lacking in some other area of their psyche or physique.
A test to find ANY weakness, with that, I agree 100%. M/M

[Jauhzmynn Enz]

That's a very vaild and good point.
Testing the worst fear and physcial limitations.
Ok here's a question for us all.
What are you'er biggest fears and/or physical limitations?

Or in some cases what WERE these.:-D If this is the case, how were these overcome?

[kivaanzion]

Excellent point Modeleers- weakness is a much better description.

Anakin is a perfect example of what you said; he seems to be afraid of nothing, however his weakness appears to be his longing for greater power (brought on by the death of him mother) and I would say naivety (the fact that he is easily manipulated by Palpatine).

My personal weakness is a strong fear of failure. Unfortunately I have yet to completely conquer it. It has been my personal demon. It has affected me in being somewhat of an under-achiever. Growing up, I was extremely shy and quiet- for fear of saying the wrong thing. I've almost gotten completely past the shyness, but I can still be a bit quiet at parties.

I have had many successes in my life- which have been a step toward overcoming this weakness. I completed a glider pilot's course while I was in Air Cadets as a teenager. I competed in two bodybuilding contests in my early twenties (this was a huge achievement as I was very overweight in my teen years). In 1999 I married my wife Nancy- an enormous success!

And my largest success is defeating my addiction to alcohol. Over ten years ago I found myself constantly drinking myself into a stupor with my friends every weekend. I would wake up on Sunday with the worst hangover and say, "never again". Never again lasted until Friday night, when I would go out with my buddies and do it all over again. Then in 1998 something changed. I decided I had had one too many hangovers, and quit cold turkey. I would not touch a drop of alcohol for years. Now I have the odd glass of wine or champagne on special occasions. I rarely finish the entire glass.

[Jedimom/Cor-Al Gelkar]

Anakin has a lot of fears, but they are inward fears, not ones that show. He is not afraid of anything physical, but more emotional. He is afraid he will lose Padme -- and Obi-Wan when they are Master-Padawan -- like he did his mother. He is afriad that he will never be "the Chosen One" everyone expects him to be. He is afraid of power, yet he seeks it in an attempt to put a halt to tht he fears most. He thinks if he has power, that he will be able to control everything -- including how others think of him

[Ani-Chay Pinn]

It's occured to me that Luke passed his Trial to being a Jedi by saying no to the emperor when he could have killed Vader (after failing at the tree and at Bespin). Then, Luke BECAME Anakin's trial, one last chance for Anakin to return to himself. That time he passed.

[Dragone]

[glow=limegreen,2,300]i'm sorry to be a bud but is this where people here can take a jedi trial ? Because i'm ready to become a jedi young that i'm but have seen so mutch.Been through temtations that i have but on the path of good i am still.[/glow]

[modeleers]

Dragon, Was that Yoda type?

I flat out disagree with Jedi mom. Neither the father nor son, displayed what I would call Fear, at any time. It's a guy thing (wink).

Ki Vaan Zion gets a Star for starting this thread. Questions are where the Answers are born.
Ani-chay Pinn gets a Star, too! But, ...Luke's Trial was the day he refused Vader's Offer. He "Returned" a Jedi in E-VI.
Tested & Confirmed, when he refused the Emperor.

Jedi Jazz,
My "Biggest"-Physical limitation, I can't lift an elephant, and my "Biggest'-Fear, is that the elephant will crush me, when I attempt to conquer my limitation.

For me, Everyday is a trail ...I have a pocket Full of Starz!

Forcefully -M/M

[Jauhzmynn Enz]

:-D Lifting the elephant can be easy if you treat him or her nicely. Give them something good to eat and they'll follow you anywhere.;-)

[kivaanzion]

Thank you Modeleers for the compliment. Like I said earlier I love this kind of speculation.

I however agree with Ani-Chay. Luke's final test was on the second Death Star when the Emperor urged him to give in to his hate and kill his father (bit of an Ep III spoiler next so highlight to read)---
It is apparent that the Emperor did the same thing with Anakin when he fought Dooku and Anakin gave into his hate.
Had Luke not known the truth (about Vader being his father), and was strong enough, he would have killed Vader at Bespin.

However Bespin was a horrible defeat for Luke. Realizing that he had really messed things up- he actually attempted suicide (not really heroic, but the only way out from Luke's perspective). Luke refusing Vader was one of the "tests" on the way to becoming a full Jedi.

Ani-Chay pointed this out earlier- It is interesting that Luke was the only one who believed that defeating Vader did not mean having to kill him (which is what both Obi-Wan and Yoda wanted him to do).

Just to respond to Dragone- this isn't where you take the Jedi Trials- we are discussing what they might be.

[Ani-Chay Pinn]

modeleers said:

Dragon, Was that Yoda type?
I flat out disagree with Jedi mom. Neither the father nor son, displayed what I would call Fear, at any time. It's a guy thing (wink).

Um, when Luke is looking down the business end of Darth Vader's lightsaber on Bespin, if that's not fear on his face, I don't know what is. Anakin's fear was is basic character flaw; he was afraid of change, of losing people. It's not the obvious kind of sweaty-palms, eye-popping, fear-of-death horror, but a subtle fear that leads him to look for solutions in the quest for power. Overcoming fear was one trial for both Luke and Anakin..

I don't really consider Luke's leap on Bespin to be an attempt at suicide, though it did look that way when ESB first premiered. We're now fairly sure that Luke knew how to slow his descent, Jedi-style, so it was a more reasonable, though not well-planned, attempt to escape. I suppose Luke was far more afraid of facing his father, the-second-most-evil-guy-in-the-galaxy, than failing his escape. Well, by the time ROTJ rolled around Luke had gotten over that fear. Luke was always much, much better at moving on than his father ever was; that's really what he had to teach to Anakin.

Obi-Wan's trial was to defeat a Sith in battle. It's really not surprising that he thought Luke had to do the same thing. But while Obi-Wan's trial made him a Jedi, it did almost nothing to even slow down the real evil, Sidious. That kind of evil could never be defeated in a fight; as soon as you join that fight you become a Sith. No wonder Sidious was so sure of himself; he knew that couldn't be overcome by any means of force; he'd always be able to absorb the newest attacker. But Sidious could never comprehend that he could be undermined from within, just the same way that he undermined the Republic and the Jedi from within.

[lazlototh]

I'm not sure if I have had any Trials per se, though taking fire in Panama while maintaining some kind of operational functionality may have been. I think also I may have had more emotional based trials as well.

Well, I ain't dead and I ain't dark side. Did I pass? Only the masters know...

My belief is that Jedi Trials may creep up even though one has passed the test and been given knighthood. One could consider it a confirmation or update check.

[JediKai]

I've seen Ep III and I agree with what JediMom said on May 9. Not saying anything more now as to discuss it would be very much a spoiler.

[kivaanzion]

My belief is that Jedi Trials may creep up even though one has passed the test and been given knighthood. One could consider it a confirmation or update check.

A-ha! That is why the hero's journey is a circular pattern! The hero returns to his/her beginning point- then sets out on a new journey, with more difficult tests and a greater final test to overcome- thus becoming a greater hero!

Ani-Chay, I agree with you to some degree on Luke's fall: it may not have been a true suicide attempt, but rather I'm just going to let myself fall and if I make it out of this, that's great, but if I die at least I will not have submitted to the Dark side.
We know that Jedi can fall from great heights, but Luke may not have learned this Force power yet (he did cut his training short)- my impression is that he got lucky being pulled into the exhaust port and sliding along it until he came to a stop.