Sifo Dyas

[Schph Gochi]

Whew.....this one makes my head spin.
I too thought that Dyas and Palpatine were one in the same...but now I am leaning toward Dooku.  
It was said by Dexter in the movie that the Kaminos keep to themselves...so they probably don't know what anyone actually looks like.  Perhaps Dooku went to Kamino as Sifo Dyas, ordered the Army and then was the one who killed Sifo Dyas so that nothing could be traced back to Dooku in the event that the Kaminos had contact with the Assembly.  Then Dooku would use the Clone Army to defeat Palpatine's droid army (courtesy of the Trade Federation) and become king of the hill?

Dunno
It's a good one!  I saw AOTC a third time yesterday and plan to see it as many times as I can before it leaves the theater, each time going I try to focus in on certain plot lines...for sure the whole Sifo Dyas thing will be my next plot point to study carefully.

[Nova Darklighter]

I'd have to say that I agree that Sidious 1. Told TYrannus/Dooku to order the army 2. That TYrannus probably killed Sifo Dias and posed as him on Kamino, and that the Kaminoans never met the real Sifo Dias, 3. Tyrannus probably never went back after the original order was placed, might have sent required payments via transfer (banking guild) or by way of Jango Fett. 4.Almost a certainty that Dooku deleted the star chart location of Kamino from the archives in the Temple, I don't think the Army was intended for the Jedi, but for Sidious, who had to manuever the republic into putting him in charge of it. 5. Sidious and Tyrannus will double cross their allies (T Federation, Banking Guild,Techno Union, Geos and others) for total domination of the Galaxy. 6. OOOPPS! Can't say anymore!

[Toba Qaf]

Here's my theory.
1. Sifo Dyas is killed, doesn't matter how it happened(I don't think that it had anything to do with this).
2. Dooku goes to Kamino and orders the clones (Tells Kaminoans that he is Sifo Dyas).
3. Dooku deletes Kamino from Jedi Archives.
4. Dooku travels to the moons of Bogden and recruits Jango Fett as the genetic source (Tells Jango his name is Tyrannus).

[Schph Gochi]

works for me! ;D

[Ky-Wan Zann]

ok here goes my theory lol.

Sifo-Dyas wa s areal Jedi Master on the Jedi High Council and was killed before TPM.

Count Dooku/Darth Tyranus erased the Kamino system and ordered the Clones under the name of Sifo-Dyas. then he left the order. He met Sidious I believe before he left the order and was seduced. But stayed in the order long enough to begin the work like wiping the Archives(he had access to them as he was one of the few Jedi allowed access to Sith Holocrons)

It says that Dooku could fund an army with his fortune, in the AOTC visual dictionary. Which is what I think he did. He just used Sifo-Dyas' name as a cover as if it was traced it would not lead back to him.

Just my theory though

I guess we have to wait and hope Lucas tells us what the frell went on.

[Schph Gochi]

....still makes my head spin......
;D

[An’Joh Zaji]

Well you may be right about Dooku being the man who ordered them...

I have also read an interesting thread somewhere where someone states that Darth Maul may have been Sifo Dyas, since he possesses the jedi-like skills but for the sith, I regress on this theory though, too many holes.

As for the Dooku, yes, I could see him getting drawn to the darkside by Palpatine, then ordering the clones, and erasing the archives, all before leaving the order. Then since Sith adopt new names, he adopted the name Darth Tyranus, recruited Jango and then went on his merry way.

I could also see him and Darth Sideous betraying the seperatists after they help the sith kill all the republic and then the clones get "turned" to the dark side and become troopers, and kill the seperatists... I mean Dooku DID have the plans for the "ultimate weapon" so why would they need the geonosians and trade federation bots anyways? But the geonosian commander would not have given Dooku the plans if he thought Dooku already knew of the clones somehow, right? So Dooku had to play it off "where did the assemble such a mass army", either that or he just didn't think the cloners could have made them THAT fast, since Dax did say "cloners, and d**n good ones too".

This is just my theory added to yours, and I don't dispute anything anyone is saying here. I think we will see some good action in EPIII, and Anakin will kill Tyranus and be lured to the darkside as the Emperors right-hand man... since he has a fond respect for the Emperor anyways.

Again my theories, take them as you may
Peace be with you,

[Sauron Varen]

even though this topic has been dead for awhile, i believe that sidious has alot to do with syfo dias.
why??
we know he is a sith but was he a jedi before that.
i know you may say will yoda would recognize him, but remember yoda also says the power of the dark side can cloud ones mind and is hard to see. plus palpatine is the emporer and living right under the jedi council and they dont know who he really is. since this is the case, who knows what he has done while on coruscant.

mace and yoda say that syfo dias is dead. are they saying that because they know for a fact he is dead or from heresay.

the only reason i think sidious has alot to do with it is because there is a very big history behind him that none of us knows. somewhere along the lines he became a jedi/sith. he just didnt one day decide, hey im gonna become the emporer and then magically learned how to use force lightning.

[Schph Gochi]

I know Dooku was a Jedi before he went to the dark side....

but was Palpatine/Sidious ever a Jedi?

I am not sure...I don't remember that ...but then ...I forget a lot...

[Nova Darklighter]

As far as I know, Palpatine was a Senator & then the Chancellor, and is secretly Darth Sidious, or at least that's how it looks to me.

[Sauron Varen]

so far from the movies, we have not been told wether sideous was once a jedi and then turned sith or if he has always been sith.
up to this point we have had no info what so ever on sideous's background.

[Johann Shinobi]

I distinctly remember reading in either SW Insider or SW Gamer that Sidious ad on at least one occation infiltrated the Jedi temple. howvwer when i read this it was before the movie had been released, I'll look through my old issues and see if I can fin the article. But it is very possible that Sidious or Dooku kill the real Sifo Dyas and impersonated him. I would go sofar and say that while Dooku/Tyrannus was contracting Jango, Sidious was on Kamino as Sifo Dyas contracting them for the cloning.

[kivaanzion]

Here’s my two cents. I agree with a lot of what’s already been said:

First Palpatine recruits Dooku as his new Sith apprentice shortly after Palpatine is elected as Supreme Chancellor (just after Maul is killed). Dooku remains a member of the Jedi order while learning the ways of the Sith.

Sifo Dias was indeed a member of the Jedi Council and is not a pseudonym for Sidious. Dias was killed by either Dooku or Palpatine as Palpatine would have wanted to get his master plan underway and couldn't wait for a member of the Jedi Council to be killed in action. He was probably killed by Dooku as Palpatine would have his apprentice do his dirty work for him.

Palpatine then contacts the Kaminoan’s and places the order for the clone troopers as Sifo Dias. Dooku erases the location of Kamino from the Jedi archives, and then leaves the Jedi Order. There is no contact from Dooku or Palpatine (posing as Dias) with Kaminoans during the ten years that pass. This is based on the lack of surprise from Lama Su when Obi Wan explains that Sifo Dias was killed almost ten years ago. If Dooku or Palpatine had contacted the Kaminoans after the initial order was placed, Lama Su’s reaction should have been more like, “That can’t be possible; Sifo Dias spoke to us (a few years ago) asking how the clones were progressing”.

Now about Palpatine possibly being an ex-Jedi: There is nothing to suggest this. Palpatine was a Sith apprentice at one time and learned the powers of the Dark Side from his former Sith Master.

All of my thoughts are based on what we know from the films themselves. I don’t consider anything written in comics or novels as canon. But don’t get me wrong- I don’t think there is anything wrong with those stories; it’s just not my thing.

Kevin

[Schph Gochi]

Dyas was killed by Dooku...

[BakaNeko]

Here is the truth about Sifo Dyas, Dooku and Sidious.

This is from the book Labryinth of Evil

Sifo Dyas is a member of the Jedi Council, he had a vision about the Sith coming back and a great war and brought it up to the council. The counsil dismessed it quickly. Sifo Dyas went behind the cousils back and did research about cloning and found Kamino. He traveled there and put the order in for a Clone Army for the Republic. When Qui Gon was killed, Dooku left the Jedi to search for the Sith and destroy them, but in fact he found out that Sidious was looking for him after they met. He joined Sidious and they both found out about the order for the army, Dooku confronted Sifo Dyas about it. Sifo Dyas told Dooku because he thought he was still friend and told him that he's looking for a template still and he was going to tell the counsil about the army. Dooku killed him to silence him and erased all information about it (deleting Kamino from map). Dooku told Sidious about the army for the replublic and wanted to stop it. Sidious told him to let it continue because he has forseen that he would use the army later on when he comes to power. Dooku travels to Bogden's moons and hires Jango for a template for the Army under the name Tyranis which was given to him by Sidious, and you pretty much know the rest until you see ROTS.