Post by cobalt60 on Oct 28, 2006 19:43:49 GMT -5
what is your take on the prophecy of the chosen one,
and this whole idea of "balance" (?)
--> was balance achieved through numbers? (2 jedi vs 2 sith)
or was balance achieved by destroying the sith?
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I think of it as sort of an "enviromentalist" .... thing.
- the force is like "Nature".
- the Sith are like corporations/industry:
they TAKE from the force, without giving anything back.
from their POV, the force exists to serve THEM (not vice versa).
(they do not replant forests after they "clear cut". so to speak.
they will use it and use it and use it until its gone. they do NOT live "in balance" withnature the force)
- the Jedi are like american indians:
they lived in balance with nature for Thousands of years.
they were the Caretakers of the Living force, for generations.
they took from the force, only what they needed.
they were conscious of the "will of the Living Force", and they tended it, and they kept it strong.
they lived in perfect harmony with Nature (so to speak).
and this was NOT dependant on "how many" indians walked the forests, at any time in history, btw.
this was dependant on HOW they lived (not "how many").
population (numbers) had little to do with it; it was the WAY they lived, which brought Balance.
---> ((in star wars, balance came from the fact that the Jedi existed to act out the will of the living force; they existed as symbiotes with it; the Jedi listened to the "Will" of this Living Force, and they acted it out in the real world))
but then something happened: the Will of the People took over,
and usurped the Will of the Force.
at the time of the Phantom Menace, the Jedi are NO LONGER acting on the will of the force.
they are enacting the will of the galactic senate (which is corrupt).
---> ((THIS is where the imbalance comes from))
obiwan : "we will do EXACTLY as the council has instructed"
(note: the jedi do not listen to their own instincts anymore (which are attuned to the will of the force);
they only listen to the will of the Senate, which is corrupt)
I believe "Imbalance" came from the fact that the Jedi were taking orders from the "galactic senate",
which was under the DIRECT control of the Sith.
the Jedi were NO LONGER acting on the will of the Living Force.
instead they were "using" the force, to enact the Will of the People (which was corrupted by the Sith).
--> by the time of ROTS, the Jedi were fighting a war for security,
driven only by FEAR. (sound familiar?)
this was contrary to the will of the force.
THIS is what caused the imbalance.
and by the time the Jedi finally "woke up" and realised it,
ie: by the time Windu finally decided to openly defy the galactic senate in ROTS and attack sidious..
it was too late.
they were all destroyed except yoda and obiwan.
but notice: even THAT didn't restore "balance".
"Balance" had nothing to do with numbers, or population, of Jedi vs. Sith.
it had everything to do with HOW they each used the force.
(ie: do they use it to enact the will of the Living Force? (balance)
..or do they use it to enact the will of the People, driven by Fear? (imbalance))
-==========-
in the end: the imbalance was caused by the fact, that the Will of the People..
was identical to the Will of the Sith.
(and the Jedi were bound by the Will of the People; they were taking orders from the galactic senate; they no longer acted on the Will of the Force)
Balance was restored when
(A) the dictator was removed from power; therefore his influence on the "will of the people" had ended.
and (B) when the "Jedi" were free again, to listen to the will of the force*
*ie: Luke Skywalker had NO obligation, to use the Force, to enact the will of the galactic senate.
he was taught to "feel the force", and "act on instinct".
he let the force guide his actions. not vice versa.
---> (the return of the jedi)
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and I think the "Chosen One", was spawned BY the force,
to kill/destroy/neutralize EVERy "force user" in existence,
who was NOT listening to the will of the force.
Jedi AND Sith, alike.
and like I said, at the time of ROTS, the Jedi are bound by the Will of the Senate
(which just happens to be identical to the will of the Sith)
so as far as the "living force" is concerned... they're ALL acting out the "will of the sith"
Jedi AND sith, alike.
---> they ALL needed to be destroyed, in order to restore "balance"
(every single force-user who is even alive at the time of ROTS,
needed to be destroyed. including anakin)
in the end, Luke is the only one left. and like I said, he was taught to "let go his conscious self" and "act on instinct"
(meaning: he has been taught to heed the will of the living force, even over his OWN conscious will)
he does not use the force to the enact the will of the galactic senate, or anyone else for that matter.
he uses the force to enact the will of the force. (balance).
and this whole idea of "balance" (?)
--> was balance achieved through numbers? (2 jedi vs 2 sith)
or was balance achieved by destroying the sith?
-===============-
I think of it as sort of an "enviromentalist" .... thing.
- the force is like "Nature".
- the Sith are like corporations/industry:
they TAKE from the force, without giving anything back.
from their POV, the force exists to serve THEM (not vice versa).
(they do not replant forests after they "clear cut". so to speak.
they will use it and use it and use it until its gone. they do NOT live "in balance" with
- the Jedi are like american indians:
they lived in balance with nature for Thousands of years.
they were the Caretakers of the Living force, for generations.
they took from the force, only what they needed.
they were conscious of the "will of the Living Force", and they tended it, and they kept it strong.
they lived in perfect harmony with Nature (so to speak).
and this was NOT dependant on "how many" indians walked the forests, at any time in history, btw.
this was dependant on HOW they lived (not "how many").
population (numbers) had little to do with it; it was the WAY they lived, which brought Balance.
---> ((in star wars, balance came from the fact that the Jedi existed to act out the will of the living force; they existed as symbiotes with it; the Jedi listened to the "Will" of this Living Force, and they acted it out in the real world))
but then something happened: the Will of the People took over,
and usurped the Will of the Force.
at the time of the Phantom Menace, the Jedi are NO LONGER acting on the will of the force.
they are enacting the will of the galactic senate (which is corrupt).
---> ((THIS is where the imbalance comes from))
obiwan : "we will do EXACTLY as the council has instructed"
(note: the jedi do not listen to their own instincts anymore (which are attuned to the will of the force);
they only listen to the will of the Senate, which is corrupt)
I believe "Imbalance" came from the fact that the Jedi were taking orders from the "galactic senate",
which was under the DIRECT control of the Sith.
the Jedi were NO LONGER acting on the will of the Living Force.
instead they were "using" the force, to enact the Will of the People (which was corrupted by the Sith).
--> by the time of ROTS, the Jedi were fighting a war for security,
driven only by FEAR. (sound familiar?)
this was contrary to the will of the force.
THIS is what caused the imbalance.
and by the time the Jedi finally "woke up" and realised it,
ie: by the time Windu finally decided to openly defy the galactic senate in ROTS and attack sidious..
it was too late.
they were all destroyed except yoda and obiwan.
but notice: even THAT didn't restore "balance".
"Balance" had nothing to do with numbers, or population, of Jedi vs. Sith.
it had everything to do with HOW they each used the force.
(ie: do they use it to enact the will of the Living Force? (balance)
..or do they use it to enact the will of the People, driven by Fear? (imbalance))
-==========-
in the end: the imbalance was caused by the fact, that the Will of the People..
was identical to the Will of the Sith.
(and the Jedi were bound by the Will of the People; they were taking orders from the galactic senate; they no longer acted on the Will of the Force)
Balance was restored when
(A) the dictator was removed from power; therefore his influence on the "will of the people" had ended.
and (B) when the "Jedi" were free again, to listen to the will of the force*
*ie: Luke Skywalker had NO obligation, to use the Force, to enact the will of the galactic senate.
he was taught to "feel the force", and "act on instinct".
he let the force guide his actions. not vice versa.
---> (the return of the jedi)
-===================-
-===================-
and I think the "Chosen One", was spawned BY the force,
to kill/destroy/neutralize EVERy "force user" in existence,
who was NOT listening to the will of the force.
Jedi AND Sith, alike.
and like I said, at the time of ROTS, the Jedi are bound by the Will of the Senate
(which just happens to be identical to the will of the Sith)
so as far as the "living force" is concerned... they're ALL acting out the "will of the sith"
Jedi AND sith, alike.
---> they ALL needed to be destroyed, in order to restore "balance"
(every single force-user who is even alive at the time of ROTS,
needed to be destroyed. including anakin)
in the end, Luke is the only one left. and like I said, he was taught to "let go his conscious self" and "act on instinct"
(meaning: he has been taught to heed the will of the living force, even over his OWN conscious will)
he does not use the force to the enact the will of the galactic senate, or anyone else for that matter.
he uses the force to enact the will of the force. (balance).