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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Sept 12, 2005 10:59:28 GMT -5
Where did it say that? I honestly don't think Mace survived. If he had why wasn't he around in the other three movies?He would have been able to help Luke as much as yoda and Obi-wan had.
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Post by tanzanlinnear on Sept 12, 2005 12:29:36 GMT -5
If he had why wasn't he around in the other three movies? As much as I'd like to say consistency isn't exactly one of George Lucas' strong points, I believe one of the very first drafts was called The Adventures of Mace Windu... There simply wasn't much place in mainstream media at the time for a black protagonist (other than Shaft) which is why we got Lando Calrissian rather than Master Windu  |
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Post by Andle Di-Ranos on Sept 12, 2005 15:22:02 GMT -5
Considering Anakin's free falling from AOTC, I think that Mace, a Jedi Master would have still had enough sense about him to be able to control his descent There is truth in what you say, but we also know that even though anakin was a padawan he had more midiclorians than even yoda when in my perspective made anakin more powerful and able to control the force better than most jedi. Anakin also jumped on pupose as for windu, he fell by suprise. |
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Post by tanzanlinnear on Sept 12, 2005 15:41:06 GMT -5
There is truth in what you say, but we also know that even though anakin was a padawan he had more midiclorians than even yoda when in my perspective made anakin more powerful and able to control the force better than most jedi. Anakin also jumped on pupose as for windu, he fell by suprise. That's a fair point about Anakin's control of the Force. However, even though Master Windu fell by surprize, think about how high up he actually was (probably way over a thousand meters) That should be plenty of time for a Jedi Master to get their bearings on a situation... |
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Post by Andle Di-Ranos on Sept 12, 2005 18:03:30 GMT -5
There is truth in what you say, but we also know that even though anakin was a padawan he had more midiclorians than even yoda when in my perspective made anakin more powerful and able to control the force better than most jedi. Anakin also jumped on pupose as for windu, he fell by suprise. That's a fair point about Anakin's control of the Force. However, even though Master Windu fell by surprize, think about how high up he actually was (probably way over a thousand meters) That should be plenty of time for a Jedi Master to get their bearings on a situation... That is true, even though the senate building is not that tall by corusants standards it was taller than most of our buildings. I don't fully disagree, he could have survived, unless he was in shock(arm chopped off, electricuted) if that is possible for a jedi to go into shock. |
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Post by tanzanlinnear on Sept 12, 2005 19:20:51 GMT -5
That is true, even though the senate building is not that tall by corusants standards it was taller than most of our buildings. I don't fully disagree, he could have survived, unless he was in shock(arm chopped off, electricuted) if that is possible for a jedi to go into shock. It's definitely possible, but looking back to ATOC, Anakin got a blast of Force Lightning (admitedly much shorter duration) but was able to get himself together after a few moments. I think that they'll say Master Windu is dead because of plot continuity, but I think had the following three films not already been made, they could have said he survived the fall, going on the basis of what had been seen previously of such maimings, Force Lightning being intenesely painful, but not lingering once the attack has finished, and the height of the building and the sheer amount of traffic that he would have bounced off and fallen on. |
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Post by Andle Di-Ranos on Sept 12, 2005 19:49:08 GMT -5
He may have survived the intial fall, but would have died soon either by the jedi purge (concidering he was still on corusant now ruled by the emperor, and the emperor would have definitly sinced a jedi near his chambers) or wounds he could not fix. (a jedi couldn't just walk in and get an arm replacement any more)
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Post by Leda EmBorr on Sept 12, 2005 20:11:23 GMT -5
In RotS, Yoda felt Mace's death in the Force. He did? Was that in the movie, or the novelization? That was in the movie. |
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Post by tanzanlinnear on Sept 13, 2005 11:34:16 GMT -5
He may have survived the intial fall, but would have died soon either by the jedi purge (concidering he was still on corusant now ruled by the emperor, and the emperor would have definitly sinced a jedi near his chambers) or wounds he could not fix. (a jedi couldn't just walk in and get an arm replacement any more) That's true, he lost his lightsaber before being flung from the window, and wouldn't have been able to construct a new one with only one hand... As one of the most senior members of the Council, he couldn't have gotten medical treatment without someone recognizing him (although losing the hand wouldn't've been fatal in itself) He did? Was that in the movie, or the novelization? That was in the movie. I just checked the bit you mean when Master Yoda senses the deaths of the Jedi on Kashyyk, but that is during the execution of Order 66, not following Master Windu's fall  |
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Sept 13, 2005 14:52:51 GMT -5
Yeah I remembered that part. Yoda did feel Maces death.
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Post by tanzanlinnear on Sept 13, 2005 19:34:04 GMT -5
Yeah I remembered that part. Yoda did feel Maces death. No, as I said above having checked the film, Master Yoda felt the deaths of the other Jedi during the execution of Order 66. There was no reaction shot following Master Windu's fall. |
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Sept 14, 2005 10:44:51 GMT -5
oh.. I thought he did. Ah well.
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Post by Leda EmBorr on Sept 15, 2005 1:01:20 GMT -5
Yeah I remembered that part. Yoda did feel Maces death. No, as I said above having checked the film, Master Yoda felt the deaths of the other Jedi during the execution of Order 66. There was no reaction shot following Master Windu's fall. Right you are... I guess in seeing him react in that scene, I got the feeling that Mace was the first, followed by the rest of the lot. Maybe cutting to Yoda in the middle of Mace's death scene would have reduced the impact of it... I think Anakin's line, "What have I done" indicates that he's dead. |
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Post by tanzanlinnear on Sept 16, 2005 7:03:45 GMT -5
I think Anakin's line, "What have I done" indicates that he's dead. I took that more as (gotta quote Sam Jackson here) what alcoholics refer to as 'a moment of clarity'. It wasn't so much that Master Windu might have died, but the realization that he'd just maimed one of the senior members of the Jedi Council, and thought if it was discovered what he'd done, then he was probably thinking (as Jar Jar would have said) "mee'sa in deep doo doo!"  ;D |
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Post by Johann Shinobi on Sept 16, 2005 8:13:03 GMT -5
I think it will be up to the fans whether he returns, remember Lucas had intended Boba Fett to die in EP VI but the fans and authors braught him back in the novels that followed.
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