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Post by I Five on Sept 6, 2006 20:21:39 GMT -5
Good point.
I was just a bit overall dissappointed in the book over all...I liked his 'Cloak Of Deception' better...but I'm bias...I'm a huge Qui-gon fan!!!
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Post by I Five on Sept 6, 2006 20:23:04 GMT -5
Looks like we're the only two here tonight...I'm guessing everyone else is still getting settled after DC!
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Post by I Five on Sept 6, 2006 20:26:40 GMT -5
I'd better get going home...I came back to work to use DSL...last time was too hard with dial-up!
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Post by Jan-Qui Coran on Sept 6, 2006 20:27:18 GMT -5
Could be I know I'm a bit over tired. But they'll chime in when they feel like it. As far as the book goes it was too dark for me, though it was infomative. I think deep down Palaptine really hates everybody--since he's Sith, who can he like, he's manipulative, destructive, power hungry--not anyone I'd care to meet. On the other hand Vader aka Anakin realizes that Palpatine has gained everything whereas Anakin has lost everything he ever wanted & he's very tragic & reallizes only Palpy can give him the info to the dark side which Palpy really never does give him. Palpy wants to keep Vader under control so Vader never does become a Master at any time.
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Post by I Five on Sept 6, 2006 20:27:38 GMT -5
Thanks for being here to chat with me. ;D
Good night!
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Post by Jan-Qui Coran on Sept 6, 2006 20:28:14 GMT -5
good night May the force be with you. Safe trip home
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Post by I Five on Sept 6, 2006 20:28:24 GMT -5
Good summary!!!
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Post by I Five on Sept 6, 2006 20:29:08 GMT -5
Thanks...it's only 1/4 mile down the road...I live right next to work!
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Post by Leda EmBorr on Sept 6, 2006 23:56:54 GMT -5
Well, I have to admit that I only read the last chapter.... where Obi-Wan was drinking in the bar. That's as much as I could muster what with D*C and all. I think we're all still brain fuddled! ;D
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Post by Jan-Qui Coran on Sept 7, 2006 20:37:01 GMT -5
I know exactly what you mean. My brain is still a bit muddled. I still find it surprising that I got on the plane for home & didn't realize we took off till about 15 minutes later when I woke up & saw the clouds in the sky---I uh duh think I was just a little bit over tired Rise of Vader was interesting at the beginning I felt a little sympathy for Vader/Anakin but by the end I kind of felt he had made very bad choices & had to live with it.
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Post by Jedimom/Cor-Al Gelkar on Sept 8, 2006 7:05:16 GMT -5
Ack! I finally remembered this last night! Siorry guys! With D*C everything got messed up.
IMHO the last chapter was the best. I expected more from Vader in this book. Although the author tried to humanize him as much as possible. I felt little empathy, thinking he deserved everything he got. I did like knowing not all clones turned on the Jedi, but you know he majority of them did.
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Post by Theyrenotdolls (Den Dragonson) on Sept 10, 2006 14:44:52 GMT -5
i enjoyed the book, but i have to say i found it a bit predictable. I was suprised by the bar scene in the last chapter with obiwan, though. at the beginning of the book, i felt terribly sorry for vader....and i think it's interesting that paply recognized his shortcomings...but it is important to realize that palpy still very much considered vader a fledgling sith apprentice...with lots to learn. i like how by the end of the book, you see vader beginning to blossom into full bad-guyness.
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Post by dalailala on Sept 12, 2006 10:00:30 GMT -5
I think that we needed a little more transition from what we knew of Anakin in ROTS to what became of Vader by ANH. It wasn't handled as well in the film as it could have been and the book wanted to address that, but I think it also fell a bit short. It wasn't bad, though, overall. I had mixed feelings about the clones that didn't turn against the Jedi. It seemed a little stretched that they would be able to break their programming so soon, but then again, after 20 years the Empire did go back to using regular people instead of clones, so there must have been some issues with their programming that cropped up here and there. As for the Wookiees, I seem to remember that some older story or comic mentioned that it was the Wookiees who were forced to build the Death Star.... and that has always been my argument against Kevin Smith.... Remeber the scene in Clerks where they talking to the contractor about government contracts and politics and as to whether Lando (or Luke, even) was responsible for blowing up millions of innocent gov't employees? It's even worse, he's actually responsible for blowing up millions of innocent slaves! -Lala
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Post by Leda EmBorr on Sept 12, 2006 20:18:26 GMT -5
I agree with you there, on the issue of Anakin's transition into Vader. I didn't get to read Dark Lord, but the movie version of Revenge of the Sith didn't really capture that convincingly. The transition was too fast, with no real explaniation as to why he suddenly started killing younglings. Of course the more you watch it, the more you begin see why. The book version did better, since there was more room to get deeper into his emotional state.
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Post by I Five on Sept 13, 2006 8:19:30 GMT -5
I had mixed feelings about the clones that didn't turn against the Jedi. It seemed a little stretched that they would be able to break their programming so soon, but then again, after 20 years the Empire did go back to using regular people instead of clones, so there must have been some issues with their programming that cropped up here and there. As for the Wookiees, I seem to remember that some older story or comic mentioned that it was the Wookiees who were forced to build the Death Star.... and that has always been my argument against Kevin Smith.... Remeber the scene in Clerks where they talking to the contractor about government contracts and politics and as to whether Lando (or Luke, even) was responsible for blowing up millions of innocent gov't employees? It's even worse, he's actually responsible for blowing up millions of innocent slaves! -Lala About the clones I think your right...Have you read the Republic Commando books by Karen Traviss? There are two out now and she will be writing two more. They are some of my favorite books ;D They are clone wars novels, but they show the RC's as intergrating into normal society (Like one of the clones and one of the Jedi hooked up and hare having a baby !!) The end of the last book was just getting to the point where the clones are searching for the Kamino scientist to get a 'cure' to stop their accelerated growth rates. They want to do this since some of the clones are starting have have 'normal' social lives... and see a future for themselves after the war. So it does show that they are breaking their programming. And your also right about the wookies...they were taken (in US books) to work on the Death Star since they are skilled craftsman. You must read lots of EU books...that's awesome!!! We have a bookclub if your interested in joining us? Dark Lord: The Rise of Vader was the book we read last month. This month we are reading The Cestus Deception. Each month a member picks a book to read...any book..then we all discuss it! Let me know if your interested...you can pick a book for us to read!
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