Completed Costume...

[Xana]

tanzanlinnear said:

yanlauzon said:

I agree... without the multiple threads on the collar, its less obvious its a gi. It sold it right away to me. I don't do martial arts (yet).
If he could remove those or somehow hide it, I guess it would be very nice.
Without the gi-aspect of it, the costume is impressive.


This said, the fact some people where in with a lesser costume shouldn't imply that new members should bend the newly instated rule... I mean, you don't have to be here to have a jedi costume. If you want to be here, you decided you can have a good ennough costume to participate in the assembly, you should bend to the assembly's rules and regulations.

Just like TanzanLinnear who is working his gi into a good ennough costume.

I think its the job of the counsil to enforce those rules. I mean, all other costuming association do enforce their rules and gain in membership every years. If the staff makes high standard, people will enjoy comparing their high standardized costumes with others of the same quality and every is going to be happy.

If, however, the staff let anything in, people will go with the "anything goes" and we'll end up bathrobe-jedi association.

Hey... I'm still working on a "presentable ennough" costume for my submission to the assembly. I believe you have high ennough standard for me to take time before applying... There is no hurry in costuming..?

I don't think that the Council will have accepted an 'anything goes' policy, but I do suspect (confirmation or denial from the Council would be nice here) that maybe they've decided to go with my suggestion of allowing costumes over 80% compliant, and giving them the six months leniency shown to existing members that aren't up to scratch, to make the necessary changes. That said, I simply submitted the photos as they are, and received an acceptance the next day, which makes no mention of changes that need to be made,so I guess my costume has been accepted as is, for which I'm really grateful I do plan on improving the tunic. My only rush was that I wanted it finished before my vacation so we could shoot the photos on location.

Like Leda mentioned above, not everyone recognizes a gi when a prospective member wishes to join. I wouldn't have noticed it in this case. Those who take karate would!

Only one or two people accept members and review costume at TJA. Not everyone can recognize every aspect of a costume, especially if the photo isn't well, lit, not close up enough, or what have you. Not that Tanzan's is any of those, bu you know what I mean. These things are also being discussed by the Council.

Tanzan, that's a great costume, it looks great on you!!

[tanzanlinnear]

xana said:

Tanzan, that's a great costume, it looks great on you!!

Thanks, Xana, I'm glad you like it I'll be starting work on the saber I promised you as soon as I get a free moment ;D

[admin]

Our Jedi Code does state that Karate Gi's are NOT allowed as a component of a member's costume. There was no mention in Jedi Linnear's membership request that his overtunic was a Gi.
I think his costume looks really good myself.

[tanzanlinnear]

admin said:

Our Jedi Code does state that Karate Gi's are NOT allowed as a component of a member's costume. There was no mention in Jedi Linnear's membership request that his overtunic was a Gi.
I think his costume looks really good myself.

Thank you for your compliment, Master Jorlac.
I made no mention in my request, because following the discussions here,
apfoister.proboards9.com/index.cgi?board=TaP&action=display&n=1&thread=935
I would have thought it was widely known to the Council that the costume I would be submitting included a gi, so it seemed redundant to mention it on the application, but this was not an act of subterfuge on my part. My application was purely on the advice of Council members who advised me to complete my costume as I had planned, submit it, and see what happened. I did this, and it was accepted, which lead me to believe that some of the points proposed in the previously mentioned thread had actually been accepted (such as showing the same leniency towards applicants over 80% compliant, as is shown to existing members, or accepting that not every Jedi on the Council wore identical garments to Obi-Wan, such as Ki-Adi Mundi, Yareal Poof and Master Yoda, and that maybe a gi could be accepted as a purchased variation on a theme, as they are of superior quality to a Rubies costume, or even a three tiered membership) This is clearly not the case. If my costume is indeed unacceptable to the Code, it should not have been accepted in the first place. But it was accepted, and that should mean that it passed the test of looking more 'Jedi' than 'martial arts'.
Revoke my membership. I will make a fine example for people to realize that their costumes must be 100% 'movie accurate' in order for them to be accepted in this community.

[Ani-Chay Pinn]

admin said:

Our Jedi Code does state that Karate Gi's are NOT allowed as a component of a member's costume. There was no mention in Jedi Linnear's membership request that his overtunic was a Gi.
I think his costume looks really good myself.

Perhaps that should read "unaltered Gi"? It seems that they can be modified to look OK.

There is one thing that I can't tell from TanzanLinnear's picture. Do the sides of the tunic have split hems? Split sides, the collar stitching and sleeve length are the features that give away a gi.

I don't think any Jedi tunics have split side hems. If they did I would have it on mine! Straight side seams look just like a sack on me, which is why I made them angle outward on my tunic. Guys with no hips can wear straight side seams and look fine, but other body shapes need a little accommodation.

[Leda EmBorr]

Alright... here's the scoop---

Tanzan, your costume is fine. I knew it was fine when I saw pics of it the last time you posted it, even though I am not the final say on who's accepted. I also got a sense of the kind of costumer you are... you want your costume to look the best that it can look, and you are making it the best based on your means. I also feel that you are not the pompous type who will argue his point beyond reason. You heed what members have to say, and you value others' opinions. Your costume is a good variation of the Anakin costume, and that's basically what most of our costumes are.... variations based on one character or another.

Please, we want everyone to know that the tja council are always trying to work with our members as well as keep up the standards of costuming that we feel fits the club's intended purpose as outlined in our mission statement:

Article I. Mission Statement
The Jedi Assembly is a worldwide fan-based group for Star Wars Jedi costuming enthusiasts. It is our intent to further enhance the Star Wars genre by recreating movie-accurate Jedi costumes and props for our enjoyment, as well as others. We encourage Jedi costumers at all ability levels to join and share their knowledge with others.

We have a costuming code in place because everyone needs ground rules to follow. Without them it would be an anything goes, free-for-all. But you have no idea how many people try to get around the rules, and the reasons they give for having to wear a bathrobe! To us, they're just excuses to get in with a shoddy costume. We can usually tell who is serious and who is out for a club joining romp on the internet. And our code is always subject to change as we are always aware of the needs of every level of costumer. We won't lower our standards by any means, but we're not so exclusory as to accept only absolutely perfect costumes. Where's the fun in that? The fun is in the process, the making of.... the pursuit of the pen caps and the rivets and the mysterious crinkly fabric which still eludes me...

Simply stated, we're here because we love the SW theme, specifically the Jedi theme, and we have found comradere here as we share ideas and experiences and give each other advice on how to better recreate the jedi costume... the look of screen-accurate jedi, with a little bit of our own personalities thrown in. So, you have some thread on your collar... would it look more jedi if you took it out? Well, maybe, but some members have actually embroidered their tunics with stitching that looks exotic but still looks jedi... so what of that? The point is that Tanzan's costume is quite different than the off the shelf karate gi. It's well thought out and well assembled and fits within the guidelines that we've set for color and style--- and even if he never takes the stitching out... it's an excellent costume as it is. Could it be better? Yes. Could mine be better? Yes! None of our costumes are Trisha Biggar specials... but there's a certain level of dedication that we share that sets us apart from the guy who's gone off on a Rubies' jedi holiday weekend.

Am I making any sense, or was that just a ramble of sorts?

[admin]

I totally second that Leda! And very well put!
We are always looking for ways to refine our Jedi Code as this is all a growing and learning experience. Jedi Linnear's costume is very nicely done and I like the mods to the Karate Gi. I truly had no idea that it was a Gi, but I am glad that he is apart of TJA.
That being said..last night a few members of the Council were meeting and discussions have been undertaken about "modified" Karate Gi's. So more will be said about that later.

MTFBWY!!

[Seda Navilli]

Everyone who might wonder why the Jedi council members get a seat here should read the above post, such wisdom! Leda, that made perfect sense, thats pretty much exactly what I was thinking but I couldn't have said it any better.

Tanzan is a dedicated costumer, the lengths that he's gone to modify the Gi and the effort he's put into his entire costume is proof of that, but more to the point it looks Jedi... and thats what we want. Its instantly recognisable as a Jedi costume and it has the details that make the nitpickers happy. A karate gi isnt acceptable because of A; its colour and B; its fit, which doesnt look Jedi. But Tanzan's tunic is the right colour and it sits on him like a tunic should, with the proper skirt effect... thats why it should be perfectly acceptable.

[tanzanlinnear]

Master Em-Borr, everything you have said is absolutely spot-on accurate, especiallyhhat you said here:

ledaemborr said:

you want your costume to look the best that it can look, and you are making it the best based on your means.

My hurry to complete my costume was for the vacation, so the photos could be taken on location, but cost was the factor that I was constantly fighting against. As my situation changes, I plan on improving my costume further, most obviously the tunic, but also the boots and belt. I want a pair of the Motorcycle Cowboy Anakin boots, and I plan on getting them (although probably not for a while ;D ) The belt is adequate, but it's not leather. For the price I paid for it (again, in a hurry and on a budget) I have no complaints, but I know that I can get better with the proper finances, so that is my goal

admin said:

I totally second that Leda! And very well put!
We are always looking for ways to refine our Jedi Code as this is all a growing and learning experience. Jedi Linnear's costume is very nicely done and I like the mods to the Karate Gi. I truly had no idea that it was a Gi, but I am glad that he is apart of TJA.
That being said..last night a few members of the Council were meeting and discussions have been undertaken about "modified" Karate Gi's. So more will be said about that later.

MTFBWY!!

Thank you, Master Jorlac, your acceptance and compliments both mean a great deal to me

seda said:

Everyone who might wonder why the Jedi council members get a seat here should read the above post, such wisdom! Leda, that made perfect sense, thats pretty much exactly what I was thinking but I couldn't have said it any better.

Tanzan is a dedicated costumer, the lengths that he's gone to modify the Gi and the effort he's put into his entire costume is proof of that, but more to the point it looks Jedi... and thats what we want. Its instantly recognisable as a Jedi costume and it has the details that make the nitpickers happy. A karate gi isnt acceptable because of A; its colour and B; its fit, which doesnt look Jedi. But Tanzan's tunic is the right colour and it sits on him like a tunic should, with the proper skirt effect... thats why it should be perfectly acceptable.

Seda, you are without a doubt my best friend here, thank you for all your encouragement and support

[Olos Nay]

I must say I like to read such threads as this one. Jedi Leda Em-Borr and Tanthos Jorlac yet again showed us how serious the assembly is and made the best decision we could get out of the situation... where the rules is enforced and the acceptance flexible and intelligent.

Congratulations TanzanLinnear on your total acceptance in the assembly.

[tanzanlinnear]

yanlauzon said:

I must say I like to read such threads as this one. Jedi Leda Em-Borr and Tanthos Jorlac yet again showed us how serious the assembly is and made the best decision we could get out of the situation... where the rules is enforced and the acceptance flexible and intelligent.

Congratulations TanzanLinnear on your total acceptance in the assembly.

Thank you

[Jan-Qui Coran]

Your costume looks great:)

[tanzanlinnear]

janqui said:

Your costume looks great:)

Thanks

[Mon-Jas Charan]

It may be a Gi, but I like that fact you took the time to create a costume, not just through it together. That is what good costuming is about. Time and effort to create something. You should be proud of your effort, we are here at TJA.

[Xana]

What Leda said.............. ;D