Andle Di-Ranos
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Post by Andle Di-Ranos on Nov 16, 2005 19:21:39 GMT -5
In episode 4 Obi-wan says, "You cant win Darth...if you were to strike me down i shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine." Obiwan calls vader Darth as though it was his first name, while every one else called him lord vader similer to Mr. Vader if you will. So this brings speculation was Darth the original first name of vader before being the title of a sith lord?
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Post by Starkindler (The Naked Jedi) on Nov 16, 2005 19:28:31 GMT -5
I always just thought it was a double edged comment. on one hand alluding to the friendship they once had (where you get to use nicknames) on the other hand a jab at his having gone to the dark side and not his own master (Darth being a title bestowed on him by hie master).
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Post by Andle Di-Ranos on Nov 16, 2005 19:35:19 GMT -5
Yes but im looking at the real world point of view when there was no prequels that explained stuff and they were just movies not our lives like they are now.
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Post by Mon-Jas Charan on Nov 17, 2005 21:49:55 GMT -5
It has been awhile since I read Star Wars (A New Hope) , but I think there was an explanation in there. I guess will reread that book.
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Post by Xana on Nov 17, 2005 21:53:51 GMT -5
Yes but im looking at the real world point of view when there was no prequels that explained stuff and they were just movies not our lives like they are now. Interesting how you put that.......... once they were just movies......... now they are our lives. Hmmm......... My explaination would be until EpI, there was only one Darth that we knew of. Lucas never intended to do any more SW movies after ROTJ. So it wasn't much a problem until EpI.
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Nov 17, 2005 22:57:53 GMT -5
I always got the impression that "Darth" was a title. I never thought about Obi-Wan using it as a first name. But if someone were called "Lord Vader", would it sound like a first name if they were called just "Lord" by someone?
No matter what, no way in that galaxy would Obi-Wan have ever, ever used "Anakin".
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Nov 17, 2005 22:59:27 GMT -5
I just thought it was obi-wan taunting vader. He had no fear of Vader
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Post by Iagon Tralik on Dec 29, 2005 17:22:08 GMT -5
Interesting theory but heres another one you might be interested in... When Darth Vader says to Obi-Wan that "When I left you, I was but learner, now I am the master." To me that doesn't make sence because Anakin was already a knight when he turned to the dark side. How could he have still been a learner when he's not a padawan.
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Post by Andle Di-Ranos on Dec 29, 2005 17:41:54 GMT -5
You still have to learn much before becoming a master and even though he was a jedi knight obiwan was still teaching him, hence they were always together. Then when he yelled, "i have failed you anakin" that means you fail as a jedi or it could mean obiwan failed as a teacher. Either way anakin had much to learn.
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Dec 30, 2005 3:23:07 GMT -5
I think vader was just being high and mighty with his power..
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Post by Andle Di-Ranos on Dec 30, 2005 12:19:26 GMT -5
true, he could have been taunting ben..
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Post by Ani-Chay Pinn on Dec 31, 2005 17:24:14 GMT -5
Anakin was a knight but he wasn't a master. Remember the hissy fit he had when the council wouldn't give him that rank? Obi-Wan still ranked him since he was a master. Interesting theory but heres another one you might be interested in... When Darth Vader says to Obi-Wan that "When I left you, I was but learner, now I am the master." To me that doesn't make sence because Anakin was already a knight when he turned to the dark side. How could he have still been a learner when he's not a padawan.
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Post by Johann Shinobi on Dec 31, 2005 19:07:03 GMT -5
I always got the impression that "Darth" was a title. I never thought about Obi-Wan using it as a first name. But if someone were called "Lord Vader", would it sound like a first name if they were called just "Lord" by someone?
No matter what, no way in that galaxy would Obi-Wan have ever, ever used "Anakin".
If you Know your SW EU history The term "Darth" Was a Title most likely in honor of the first "Darth Bane" who brought back the sith from extinction many sith lords called themselves and there apprentices "Darth" it has been commonly thought that the title was only because of Darth Bane but KOTOR blew that theroy out of the water with Darth Revan, Darth Malek, and Darth Bandon Remember Sidious and his master were Darths and so was Dooku. AS far as Anakin and Obi Wan are concerned Anakin still called Obi wan "master" up until there final duel.
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Post by Johann Shinobi on Jan 4, 2006 1:03:51 GMT -5
here is some more info on "Darth" from wikipedia: Quote "In-universe history In Star Wars, Darth Revan was the first known Sith Lord to use this title, though it is possible that he and Darth Malak were preceeded by the mysterious Darth Andeddu. Unlike their successors, Revan and Malak prefixed the title to their own names instead of creating a pseudonym, as did Zannah 3,000 years later.
Film history Prior to the release of Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace in 1999, the only known Sith Lord who carried the name "Darth" was Darth Vader. When Darth Sidious and Darth Maul were revealed in The Phantom Menace, the name took on its distinct association with the Sith, and has since appeared throughout all eras of Star Wars fiction.
In 1977, the year the first Star Wars film was released, Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope seemed to indicate that Darth was a name unique to Darth Vader. That is, Obi-Wan Kenobi says to Vader:
"You can't win, Darth. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine." In light of later material, however, it now appears Darth Andeddu was the first Sith Lord named Darth, and all subsequent "Darths" renamed themselves in honor of him." end Quote
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Post by himiko sabbrawrra on Jan 4, 2006 17:55:18 GMT -5
Well now we know that wasn't the truth
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