Xzandar Vannlo
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"Is this what you call a Diplomatic Solution?" "No this is what I call Aggresive Nagotiatins"
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Post by Xzandar Vannlo on Mar 23, 2005 21:09:21 GMT -5
Like we hear Anakin admit angrily Jedi can't be married, yet Luke marries Mara Jade and I think that's a good thing Sorry I disagree because Marriage involves a form of love, and love clouds your judgement, which can make you do something very stupid when there is probably a better choice than the stupid choice.
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Post by Shatir Lavan on Mar 23, 2005 21:26:48 GMT -5
Love doesn't cloud your judgement, it changes it. When you love somebody, you don't become stupid, but you would put your life on the line to save them. It's no different than taking a risk to save your own life. Vannlo, what causes you to believe love clouds your judgement?
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Post by Jauhzmynn Enz on Mar 23, 2005 21:59:12 GMT -5
The beginning stages of being in love can make a person VERY giddy and in some cases really goofy. But I hadn't seen someone be truly stupid, only look so becasue they'er stumbling over their feet when around the subject they love. I've seen it happen, kinda' comical in a way. <snicker> Now an unconditional love, is a selfless type. Anikan had a point when he said "Jedi are taught to have an unconditional love. I guess you can say we'er commanded to love." Wellll, he had a point but it's a Teeeeeeny bit distorted. He's right in loving all people and it IS a command to love them. Doesn't mean you have to love what the people do. The 'no marriage' rule kinda stinks in my opinion. It doesn't make sense to force a person into a celebate lifestyle. Soe beings can't handle that, yet others can because maybe that one is called to such a lifestyle.
I unconditionally love all people. Even ones I don't know. If it came down to it, I'd risk my life to save that person's without expecting thanks or a reward.
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Xzandar Vannlo
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Post by Xzandar Vannlo on Mar 23, 2005 22:01:31 GMT -5
Love makes you do crazy things. It's amazing how closely related the pattern of Love is to the pattern of Insanity.
So think of it this way if someone you loved was kidnapped and you knew where they were you would most likely forget about anything but getting them back. So therefore love would cloud your judgement and make you think about nothing but getting that person back no matter what you had to do to get them back or who you had to hurt to get them back. (Oh and I was talking about making stupid decisions not literally being stupid and I'm also talking about actual love not unconditional love)
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Post by Jauhzmynn Enz on Mar 23, 2005 22:09:20 GMT -5
That's also a generalization. Not everyone will act the same way.
The situation mentioned doesn't happen an aweful lot, and when it does, the normal reaction is oanic at first. Yeah we'er human, we'll freak out at first. Insanity? I don't know about that. I've been 'in love' during college before and didn't go crazy. I was a very level headed, clear thinking person. Maybe this is differant witheachperson.
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Xzandar Vannlo
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Post by Xzandar Vannlo on Mar 23, 2005 22:22:32 GMT -5
The phrase isn't saying when you love someone you'll go crazy it is saying that if something happened to that person it can drive you very easily to the point of insanity. And as for the situation it was just an example, and it probably happens more than you think.
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Post by Anakin Skywalker on Mar 23, 2005 22:22:35 GMT -5
Love doesn't cloud your judgement, it changes it. When you love somebody, you don't become stupid, but you would put your life on the line to save them. It's no different than taking a risk to save your own life. Vannlo, what causes you to believe love clouds your judgement? ROTS will be the shining example of how love is the direct path to the dark side for a Jedi.
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Post by caswi-delcor on Mar 23, 2005 22:23:20 GMT -5
it sure will
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Post by Shatir Lavan on Mar 23, 2005 23:19:45 GMT -5
I would love to see a psychological study saying this. If you know of one please post a link to it, because I disagree. Love can lead to your own destruction in trying to save the person you love, but as far as my definitions go, selflessness does not equal stupidity, or insanity.
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Post by J'st-Peat on Mar 24, 2005 3:19:35 GMT -5
its almost as though, its a multipul personality thing going on here. Like when you become a sith you get a new name personality and such.
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Post by Shatir Lavan on Mar 24, 2005 11:15:55 GMT -5
I like that, Pret-Jon. It seems like it very much. The Dark Side makes you into a whole different person. But love doesn't lead to the Dark Side. Fear of losing love does. Anakin's afraid of losing Padme, which is why he turns, not just because he loves her. Luke even says in the EU about how love brought his father back at the end of his life, and how Luke's family and friends' love brought him back from the Dark Side when he served the Emperor Reborn. Love is a good thing, not a bad thing.
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Post by JediMistressDragon on Mar 24, 2005 13:07:10 GMT -5
Love makes you do crazy things. It's amazing how closely related the pattern of Love is to the pattern of Insanity.<<<
Something tells me you really never honestly been in love. My husband and I been married for 28 years this year and we still hold hands and say "I love you". Love does not weaken you or make you do stupid things, that's only the individual person doing that. Emotions, schooling, learning morlas or not, etc... makes up how each person will ultimately react in a situation. Look at Luke, raised until he was 18 by his aunt and uncle and I think in the long run, that, plus maturing, made him do thje ultimate decision of going to Vader at the end, believing 'in his point of view' to quote Kenobi, that his father could be brought back to the Lightside. Another thing too, the Force, which is a form of psyhic ability in the long run isn't good or bad, it's how a person uses it, whether for good or evil. Something tells me that the Force didn't make palpy bad, he in the long made himself that way--he could have chosen a different path. Buth he didn't. He loved the power calling to him, the chance to control everything, whether the Republic/Empire or the puppets he made of everyone, including the jedi. JMD
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Post by J'st-Peat on Mar 24, 2005 13:24:07 GMT -5
To quote The darkness "I believe in a thing called love." ;D Despite the fact it bumms me out at times I believe just the same. It was the arrogance of jedi to under estimate and not take love into their belief structure.
I feel that it was that coupled with their loose of communicating with the living force it was their undoing. Afterall jedi try to understand the universe but how can you understand it with out having an understanding of love.
Perhaps if the jedi knew more of love Vader/Anakin would not have been "seduced by the darkside."
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Post by BakaNeko on Mar 24, 2005 14:58:27 GMT -5
After reading everyones thoughts, I agree that actual love does cloud your judgement. When in love, your thoughts of that person and their well beings override your duties sometimes. For example, if you had to choose between the loved one or a high political figure who is needed, one would choose the loved one. Dont know if that is a good examples or not. There are many examples concerning Anakin, Anakin's love for his mother, when she died, that love for her burned his rage for revenge and one of his many steps down the Dask Side when he slaughtered the Tusken Raiders at the camp. I just started reading Labryinth of Evil, and it says in there when Anakin is going after Nute Gunray, he uses his rage to fuel him to go after him. It says that that rage is from Gunray capturing Padme trying to have her executed and sending bounty hunters to kill her. All of that rage from revenge and wanting to protect those he loves leads him to the Dark Side, all because of love. If he was taken as a child he would not have known his mother and slaughtered the Tuskens. If he had not met Padme, he would not have fallen in love with her, and used his rage and anger to protect her. When a Jedi gives in to his anger, that leads to the Dark Side, and probably every one knows the saying of Yoda about anger leading to the Dark Side.
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Post by Shatir Lavan on Mar 24, 2005 15:11:14 GMT -5
Like I said before, it's fear that leads to the dark side. BakaNeko, the examples you gave were all examples of being afraid of losing the one you love. As long as you hold on to love, you will stay light and pure. If you let your fear consume you, as Anakin did, that is what leads you down the dark path.
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