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Post by nassik on Sept 12, 2006 3:47:12 GMT -5
The Jedi utilize earth tones for their robes and clothing. Earth tones span browns, greys, off whites, and even certain shades of red. And while I'm not asking or even suggesting that the possible Jedi colors be expanded to encompass the rainbow, so to speak, I do think that simple tans and browns are far too limited to be considered as the entire range of earth tones. After all, take a look outside in Autumn and see the leaves falling from the trees... the browns of the tree trunks, the fading yellows and vibrant oranges of fallen leaves, and the darkened green of the grass... they are all earth tones. The key lies in the muted colors. After all, even Bariss Offee wore midnight blue. There was variation within the styles and coloration of the traditional Jedi ensemble. This variation was the way in which a Jedi could express their individual personality while conforming to the tenets and traditions of the Jedi order. Luminara Undili, Plo Koon, Ki-Adi Mundi, Aayla Secura, etc. Different styles, cuts, and even coloration. Different, all, and yet still all an acceptable part of the canon Jedi Order. Now we turn to the color grey. The point of The Jedi Assembly is to promote light side Jedi costumers, correct? What if a Jedi ensemble possesses grey within it though it is still recognizable as a light side Jedi? For example, I will refer to my own existing garments...
inner tunic: brown outer tunic: sage green tabard: charcoal grey obi: sage green pants: brown robe: charcoal grey belt/pouches: brown boots: brown
There is no reference to black in this ensemble and the mere mention of sage green connotes life (ie. light side Jedi). This ensemble was never seen in a Star Wars movie or in any other Star Wars material to my knowledge. The key, though, is that this ensemble could have been in a Star Wars movie. It fits within the acceptable range of Jedi earth tones and is not so unusual as to be considered Sith or even mildly out-of-place. I am not suggesting the allowance of EU extreme Force tradition such as the Jensaarai either. The Jensaarai wear grey robes over their cortosis etched armor though, in retrospect, the mention of their grey robes may have had a strong influence on my use of grey. My point being, though, that grey is not unheard of in the Star Wars universe and, if I'm not mistaken, Bultar Swan's inner tunic is grey as well. And thus my question remains... why not grey?
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Post by Jeffrek on Sept 12, 2006 7:08:32 GMT -5
This topic comes up at regular intervals. After lengthy deliberation the decision was made to only have costumes that fit in with the general style of what is seen onscreen. The 'generic' jedi look. You may think this limiting but it isnt. This still allows a very wide ranging choice of combinations and even styles based on whats been shown in the films. You mentioned Ki Adi Mundi, well his costume still fits in with the generic jedi guidelines. It has tunic, tabbards, Obi, belt, boots, etc its only the fact his outer robe is styled differently that sets it apart. It is also shades of brown. Theres also Serrissa Jeng, whose costume is very similar in style. Your definition of earth tones differs from many other peoples. While there are some quite rich colours that can be obtained from the earth, green isnt really one of them. Green is definately associated with life but the soil itself isnt in that colour range. As for Bultar Swan wearing grey, that is a common misconception. There are 1 or 2 pictures out there that have been colour altered which makes her costume look grey/green in tone but thats not the case. The true colours are actually browns. (source Dressing the Galaxy Jedi pullout)
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Post by Schph Gochi on Sept 12, 2006 7:47:46 GMT -5
We also went straight to the sources at Lucasfilm because someone was insisting the Zett Jukasa's garb was also grey... as confirmed by Lucasfilm....his tunics were not grey...
and the colors/costumes that are not in the browns/tans/creams etc are accepted IF you are doing an exact reproduction of a costume like Luke's in ROTJ or an exact reproduction of any of the face characters like Aayla, Barris etc....
Plo Koon and Ki-Adi garb is brown....we do accept the Ki-Adi style robes (sleevless)...etc...but thier garb is in the browns....
greys and greens are in the Expanded Universe...but not in the movies...
Unfortunately....we deal in what IS not what COULD BE....
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Post by Primrodo on Sept 12, 2006 8:28:49 GMT -5
Merriam-Webster defines earth tones:
Main Entry: earth tone Function: noun : any of various rich colors containing some brown - earth-toned adjective
Earth tones don't imply colours which are found on earth...earth in itself refers to dirt...which is brown.
Anakin's outer tunic in AOTC is a red/burgandy-brown and in ROTS its more of a blue-brown. What people tend to forget is that when brown is added there is millions of colour combinations.
Obviously the major colours of blue, green, red, yellow, oragne and violet, will not look like those colours after brown has been added.
I can only think of two on screen exceptions for Jedi garb...Luke ROTJ and Barriss offee who is in all blues...even Luminara is all earthtones as is Aayla Secura.
Again you have such a vast colour wheel on this...tan is after all a grey-brown all the way to a yellow-brown.
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Post by Olos Nay on Sept 12, 2006 13:38:58 GMT -5
I personally finds quite amusing the fact that those questioning the color requirements to TJA always have a personnal costume that does not fit in the prescribed colorations.
This is something that I find rather weird... if one would want to join a costuming association, why would the association have to flex its rules to include that member?
Maybe some people will see where I am going, but the fact is that one does NOT have to be part of a costuming association in order to have a good costume. However, one must have a suitable and accepted costume in order to be part of an association.
We have the same issue once in a while with people wanting to use karate gi or hasbro lightsaber...
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Post by nassik on Sept 12, 2006 15:03:33 GMT -5
Fair enough. It was a simple question. The condescending tone was rather unnecessary in the above response. I sought an answer, not an exception to pre-existing rules and regulations. It is most unfortunate that my existing ensemble is unacceptable to current TJA standards and guidelines. It is disappointing that the current regulations are so constrictive and limiting. Yes, there are other costuming organizations in existance that allow greater freedom and creativity in the presentation of a Jedi ensemble. Often times, though, people desire the exclusivity and even speciality of belonging to an exclusively Jedi costuming group. Unfortunately, only one such organization exists. It was an unfortunate mistake to assume that this group mirrored the fictional organization after which it was modelled and that it might assume the same level of acceptance as did that august body. I thank you for your time.
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Post by Leda EmBorr on Sept 12, 2006 17:24:49 GMT -5
I hope the members who have made an effort to answer your question have done so, and that you understand our position. As a club, we need guidelines, and the council has worked hard to establish them. You are most welcome to take part on our message boards and chat Star Wars, regardless of your "official" membership status!
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Post by Schph Gochi on Sept 12, 2006 18:19:33 GMT -5
Sorry that we are a little "edgy" on the issue of color...
but the subject has been pretty much "beat to death" in the past... black, grey, white, green, blue....etc...
I think the other threads are probably archived....I tried to find some of the color discussions from the past...so I am assuming they have been archived...
but we have been challenged many times about our decision regarding staying true to the films.....
Jedi costumes are usually on the bottom of the "food chain" when it comes to costuming events so we have tried to keep standards high...
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Post by Xana on Sept 12, 2006 18:21:05 GMT -5
I can understand why prospective members would question this issue now and again. For some reason I can't see past page 1 on this forum in order to find the other threads concerning grey/black/colors, of which we have a few. We used to accept a limited amount of colors in the Jedi costumes for memberships here. I for one liked them! The problem became regulation. Once we let in someone with colored tabards and sash, someone else would want colored tunics too. Then they would want black tunics with colored tabards/sash, and black boots and belt. And it wouldn't look Jedi anymore. We did try to do colored tabards and sash only (the rest had to be brown and tan), but require brown boots and belts on those costumes. And that presented more problems. We requested that the costume be mostly brown and tan with limited colors and black/grey. It got to be impossible to regulate without more arguments. I was chatting with another Council member a few months ago trying to push the inner tunic color issue and she made a good point............ "How many people out there have original Jedi costumes with colors in them?" I replied "Way more than people who have exclusively brown and tan!" She mentioned that if we start allowing in many colors, we may end up with more multi-colored/grey/black Jedi costumes than brown and tan. I hadn't thought of that. I was only thinking of all the drop dead gorgeous costumes I'd seen with colors in them. She had a point. And nearly everyone wants a black Jedi costume. I have one now too. I like my new Sith costume. ;D But if we allow in black costumes, we'd look more like Sith costuming group than a Jedi costuming group. Then we went on to think of what did we have in mind in the first place when we started the club.................. screen accurate, brown/tan Jedi from the movies and whatever original face character costume there were. We decided to stick with that, once again. It wasn't an easy decision as we discussed it for nearly an hour or so............ that time............... As for grey, one other problem is what shades of grey would we accept? How do you draw the line between dark grey and light black? If most of a costume was dark grey and had black boots and belt, is it still a light side Jedi costume? We have to require brown boots and belt. We'd have the membership department tearing out hair. I can certainly understand wanting the kind of costume you describe. I've seen some beautiful Jedi costumes that have colors in them. but I hope you can understand out decision and appreciate our concerns on the matter. As always, make the costume you want. If we accept it, great. If not, you can still chat on the boards, post pictures of you costume. No reason you can't! Many people do that. Also, you may want to consider remaking those pieces of your costume that do not conform to our code. A couple of our members have done that in order to participate in certain events.............. especially LFL events that call for screen accurate Jedi. There are many shades of brown and tan out there as has been noted. We all look very different even in our tans and browns.
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Post by Xana on Sept 12, 2006 18:23:29 GMT -5
I can understand why prospective members would question this issue now and again. For some reason I can't see past page 1 on this forum in order to find the other threads concerning grey/black/colors, of which we have a few. Nevermind, fixed it. There was a problem with the boards.......... We still have a ll the threads regarding black/grey costumes and so forth on page 2.
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Post by Jeffrek on Sept 12, 2006 18:46:58 GMT -5
Thanks for fixing that Xana. I did have a look too before I replied but couldnt see them
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Post by Primrodo on Sept 12, 2006 19:00:31 GMT -5
I know the code is stickied, but have you thought about a stuck thread like "Regarding Colours" or something? This comes up quite often enough to warrent it...
Thoughts?
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Post by Leda EmBorr on Sept 12, 2006 19:44:58 GMT -5
Xana and I were just talking about doing that.
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Post by Xana on Sept 12, 2006 20:51:09 GMT -5
Yes, we should get to doing that.......... great minds........... lol!
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Post by Primrodo on Sept 12, 2006 20:56:43 GMT -5
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