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Post by Orion Knight-Star on Aug 5, 2006 22:39:45 GMT -5
I personaly think that Anakin was a better Jedi. Because to put it plain he was/is the chosen one.
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Andle Di-Ranos
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Post by Andle Di-Ranos on Aug 6, 2006 17:39:41 GMT -5
As far as I see it, Luke was trained to use the Force and a lightsaber in order to defeat Darth Vader (and possibly Palpatine) but he never finished his training with Master Yoda, he just took it upon himself to call himself a Jedi (in Jabbas palace). When Palpatine used Force Lightning against Luke on the 2nd Death Star, he was completely helpless, yet the PT has established that not only can Force Lightning be deflected or absorbed through a lightsaber blade, but a trained adept can deflect and absorb the lightning with their bare hands. Master Yoda knew how much Palpatine used Force Lightning as a weapon, surely he could have trained Luke to be able to deflect it as well? You kinda answered your own question there Master Tanzan- Luke cut his training short. And really how long did he spend on Dagobah in the first place? There is speculation that it was maybe a month or so. Surely he could not have learned all that he truly needed to know in order to defeat the Emperor in such a short period (contrary to what Yoda tells him in ROTJ). And while we're on the subject of Yoda telling Luke he required no more training- it could be that Yoda knew he was dying, and said that to boost Luke's confidence. If Yoda died first, Luke would probably have a mental breakdown thinking... "How can defeat the Empire now?" "What powers do I still have to learn?" "I'd better stay on Dagobah- I really messed things up the last time I left here." "Or maybe I should go..." "No wait..." In fact Yoda is the only Jedi we ever see deflecting Force lightning with their bare hands. Dooku did it- but at the time he was a Sith (we can't be sure if he learned that while he was a Jedi Master, or as a Sith apprentice). Yoda is the oldest Jedi we know of and it may have taken him decades to perfect the deflection technique. Even the great Yoda was knocked on his little green behind the first time Palpatine let him have it with the lightning (which Yoda tried to warn Luke about in ROTJ)- no wonder young Jedi Luke was helpless when Palpatine blasted him! Yoda's spirit was probably rolling over saying "I told you so." Yes it was a bit arrogant of Luke to be calling himself a Jedi Knight in Jabba's palace- but the Jedi had been extinct for over 20 years- there wouldn't be any Jedi for Luke (or anyone else) to compare himself to. The only creature alive qualified to tell Luke otherwise (Yoda) told him that he was a Jedi once he confronted Vader. Certainly he was not near the level of Qui-Gon, Mace, or Obi-Wan, but how would Luke have known otherwise? Just food for thought. even though this post is kinda old here was my theory: I do not think yoda nor obiwan thought that Luke was gonna win in a physical battle. Remember everything in the original trilogy is from certain point of view, Anakin was the chosen one, it was him and only him that could destroy the sith. Lukes job was to destroy darth vader, in order to bring back Anakin Skywalker thus destroying the emperor and bringing balance back to the force. Only Anakin could have defeated the emperor or the prophecy would have been a lie.
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Post by Cara Drume on Aug 14, 2006 10:03:11 GMT -5
Luke. No argument, just Luke. Period. (I may be a bit biased since I had a huge crush on him when I was younger. )
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Post by I Five on Aug 14, 2006 11:00:37 GMT -5
Luke...Anakin was to impatient and head strong.
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Post by Xana on Aug 14, 2006 21:05:51 GMT -5
Anakin, He's cuter.
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Post by I Five on Aug 15, 2006 15:07:14 GMT -5
Anakin, He's cuter. I love it ;D ;D And I agree with you Xana...Anakin is way better looking . Perhaps we need a new thread: Who's better looking? We could have two contestants, like Han Solo vs. young Obi-wan or ewoks vs. wookies ;D. The oogling is spreading...out of control...help...help!!!!
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Post by Xana on Aug 15, 2006 15:55:54 GMT -5
lol! Ewoks. Definately the Ewoks! Cute, but deadly. Teddy Bears with sticks. Not that Chewie can't be deadly, but Ewoks have the cuteness going on.
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Post by Leda EmBorr on Aug 15, 2006 22:26:40 GMT -5
Yub Yub...
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Post by Aston Jor-Cello on Aug 16, 2006 16:29:12 GMT -5
You kinda answered your own question there Master Tanzan- Luke cut his training short. And really how long did he spend on Dagobah in the first place? There is speculation that it was maybe a month or so. Surely he could not have learned all that he truly needed to know in order to defeat the Emperor in such a short period (contrary to what Yoda tells him in ROTJ). And while we're on the subject of Yoda telling Luke he required no more training- it could be that Yoda knew he was dying, and said that to boost Luke's confidence. If Yoda died first, Luke would probably have a mental breakdown thinking... "How can defeat the Empire now?" "What powers do I still have to learn?" "I'd better stay on Dagobah- I really messed things up the last time I left here." "Or maybe I should go..." "No wait..." In fact Yoda is the only Jedi we ever see deflecting Force lightning with their bare hands. Dooku did it- but at the time he was a Sith (we can't be sure if he learned that while he was a Jedi Master, or as a Sith apprentice). Yoda is the oldest Jedi we know of and it may have taken him decades to perfect the deflection technique. Even the great Yoda was knocked on his little green behind the first time Palpatine let him have it with the lightning (which Yoda tried to warn Luke about in ROTJ)- no wonder young Jedi Luke was helpless when Palpatine blasted him! Yoda's spirit was probably rolling over saying "I told you so." Yes it was a bit arrogant of Luke to be calling himself a Jedi Knight in Jabba's palace- but the Jedi had been extinct for over 20 years- there wouldn't be any Jedi for Luke (or anyone else) to compare himself to. The only creature alive qualified to tell Luke otherwise (Yoda) told him that he was a Jedi once he confronted Vader. Certainly he was not near the level of Qui-Gon, Mace, or Obi-Wan, but how would Luke have known otherwise? Just food for thought. even though this post is kinda old here was my theory: I do not think yoda nor obiwan thought that Luke was gonna win in a physical battle. Remember everything in the original trilogy is from certain point of view, Anakin was the chosen one, it was him and only him that could destroy the sith. Lukes job was to destroy darth vader, in order to bring back Anakin Skywalker thus destroying the emperor and bringing balance back to the force. Only Anakin could have defeated the emperor or the prophecy would have been a lie. I agree. I say Luke as well, not because I think Anakin wasn't a good Jedi, he was very skillful with a lightsaber and his ability to use the Force in many ways was good, but still my decision lands on Luke, because like his father he was faced with the same choices and circumstances like Anakin. But unlike Anakin, Luke did not fall to the dark side to accomplish what needed to be accomplished. From the beginning, everyone wanted to use Luke to do something in one way or another. Obi-wan and Yoda wanted him to destroy Vader for what he had done to the galaxy and betraying the Jedi Order at the behest of the Emperor. Vader wanted to use Luke to over-throw the Emperor so finally he could rule the Galaxy, with Luke at his side. And the Emperor wanted Luke to destroy Vader, so he could take his place next to the Emperor as well. So here you have poor Luke, with no knowledge of who he is and where his life was going. Then suddenly he's told that he has these mystical powers and a lightsaber in reach and suddenly everything is changed for him. But when he fights Vader, he sees only the man who killed Obi-wan, the man who killed his father, the man who represents evil. So he started out to do what Yoda and Obi-wan were training him to do. But Vader thwarted their plans by revealing to him that he was his father. Now things changed for Luke again. So even though he didn't want to face Vader now that he knew he was his dad, he was still able to make that claim that he was a Jedi, because he did defeat a Sith Lord in combat. But it was still not up to him to bring balance. So I think Luke was the better Jedi.
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Post by Cara Drume on Aug 16, 2006 20:05:48 GMT -5
Anakin, He's cuter. No, way. Besides, being selfish does not gain a gold star in my book; Luke was compassionate and selfless from the very beginning and stayed that way. Anakin never would have turned back if it hadn't been for Luke.
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Post by Xana on Aug 16, 2006 22:34:32 GMT -5
even though this post is kinda old here was my theory: I do not think yoda nor obiwan thought that Luke was gonna win in a physical battle. Remember everything in the original trilogy is from certain point of view, Anakin was the chosen one, it was him and only him that could destroy the sith. Lukes job was to destroy darth vader, in order to bring back Anakin Skywalker thus destroying the emperor and bringing balance back to the force. Only Anakin could have defeated the emperor or the prophecy would have been a lie. I agree. I say Luke as well, not because I think Anakin wasn't a good Jedi, he was very skillful with a lightsaber and his ability to use the Force in many ways was good, but still my decision lands on Luke, because like his father he was faced with the same choices and circumstances like Anakin. But unlike Anakin, Luke did not fall to the dark side to accomplish what needed to be accomplished. From the beginning, everyone wanted to use Luke to do something in one way or another. Obi-wan and Yoda wanted him to destroy Vader for what he had done to the galaxy and betraying the Jedi Order at the behest of the Emperor. Vader wanted to use Luke to over-throw the Emperor so finally he could rule the Galaxy, with Luke at his side. And the Emperor wanted Luke to destroy Vader, so he could take his place next to the Emperor as well. So here you have poor Luke, with no knowledge of who he is and where his life was going. Then suddenly he's told that he has these mystical powers and a lightsaber in reach and suddenly everything is changed for him. But when he fights Vader, he sees only the man who killed Obi-wan, the man who killed his father, the man who represents evil. So he started out to do what Yoda and Obi-wan were training him to do. But Vader thwarted their plans by revealing to him that he was his father. Now things changed for Luke again. So even though he didn't want to face Vader now that he knew he was his dad, he was still able to make that claim that he was a Jedi, because he did defeat a Sith Lord in combat. But it was still not up to him to bring balance. So I think Luke was the better Jedi. True, true........but............... Anakin, He's cuter. No, way. Besides, being selfish does not gain a gold star in my book; Luke was compassionate and selfless from the very beginning and stayed that way. Anakin never would have turned back if it hadn't been for Luke. Yeah, but............. Anakin had the long, cute hair.......... ;D
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Post by I Five on Aug 17, 2006 7:57:33 GMT -5
And he's got dark eyes and that sexy brooding going ....kinda like Angel on Buffy the Vampire Slayer! So to sum up my opinion: Luke was a better Jedi Anakin was a better looking Jedi! (Honestly...as I said before I think Luke was a better all around Jedi. But Anakin was a more skilled Jedi...he had the experience of training as a Pawadan and learning the skill from a master and with the knowledge of the Jedi Temple over many years. Luke just basically had to learn much of it on his own..quickly and as an adult!)
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Post by Cara Drume on Aug 17, 2006 12:06:13 GMT -5
LOL, fair enough.
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Post by Xana on Aug 20, 2006 16:57:08 GMT -5
lol! Nice summary.
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Post by Leda EmBorr on Aug 24, 2006 10:23:28 GMT -5
Luke.
But... were either of them neccessarily better? If Anakin had not been as was, Luke may never have exsisted.
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